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    Let me explain...fairly simple....looking into the possibility of an AWB, like I've lived through before...and what we might face, NFA or not, in the future, a repeat of the past on a scale that might dwarf earlier bans, if the current POTUS is chosen again by the people.. There, easier?
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    So, you are afraid that there will be further bans in the future and those bans may be worse than the bans of the past?

    I think that means, get what you can now and shoot it as much as you can!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
    So, you are afraid that there will be further bans in the future and those bans may be worse than the bans of the past?

    I think that means, get what you can now and shoot it as much as you can!!
    I'm not sure, Cameron. Right now, I'm not losing any sleep over it, but I wouldn't put it past the current administration, if it remains in power, to try a masive assault on firearms owners. I'm fairly confident that it's a very real possibility. Have a gread deal of 30 round mags, and a boat load of LC brass, powder and bullets, as well as factory ammo, so I'm cool there. I guess it's just a "wait and see" proposition for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Todd's point is that it's too late. Whether you think so or not, if there is a radar screen you're already on it. these weird paranoid theories that somehow buying class III items, or getting a CCW, etc. are the difference between being "on the list" or not are just that, weird paranoid theories.

    Go re-watch Red Dawn. When the invading force comes to town the general tells one of his underlings to go to the local gunshop(s) and pick up the 4473 forms. If it ever came to it, the govt would simply do the exact same thing.
    I remember that line and that movie well. I was 13 at the time. Well just checked my dates. I guess I was 12. Musta snuck in. I thought it was the first PG-13 movie. Unless it was a December movie and I saw it in January.
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    Wow. Guys, thank you for all your responses. Especially 2 years later :) Forttom, thank you for answering my two simple questions and not construing them as conspiracy theories. The point of my original post (OP) had to do with the fact that considerable money can be spent on an NFA weapon that is essentially registered with the ATF. Had nothing to do with being on any other list, just THAT list which will make those easy to confiscate. Certainly, in my opinion, anti-gunners would consider SBR's, Short Barrel Shotguns, and Suppressed Weapons easy targets to make into the latest boogieman.

    Someone said that paying for the tax stamp would make them harder to confiscate. I fail to understand that reasoning.

    Someone else said ATF routinely walks in and copies all 4473's. That is a violation of Federal Law and is or was a case in court.

    Anyway, the point was whether the registration is a concern for NFA owners. That is all. Frankly, regular old AR-15 rifles can be purchased all day long face to face right now. Even stripped lowers can be purchased that way. Rifles and components purchased in such a way ain't on any list or radar... not for the current owner at least.

    Some seemed to get offended that I even asked the questions... even after how cool and fantastic I said the weapons looked. I didn't mean to offend or insult anyone. I was just curious. I have several very nice AR-15 rifles now. I don't have to get anyone's permission before I move them around the country.

    I do not understand why there are NFA regs to begin with. I understand when they were instituted. I understand why it was said they were needed. But let's face it, the criminals get all the machine guns, sawed off shotguns, explosive devices, supressors, etc. they want anyway. The NFA regs. are a waste. I ain't gonna pay $200 for permission to be on anyone's list, even if I would dearly love to have an SBR.

    As far as "Red Dawn" goes, LOL... isn't that the point of my question? There are tens of thousands of gun dealers in the country. "OK boys, go gather up all 4473s! While you boys are out doing that, we'll track down the NFA owners... the easy targets." In the mean time, Billy Bob and Bubba have burried everything they have and say they sold it all years ago to some guy they met in a bar. NFA, on the other hand, if you cannot produce it when asked for it.... wow, you are in a world of hurt.

    BEWARE THE U. N. SMALL ARMS TREATY... It may not pass the senate this year, but it just takes one election to change that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    If you think that by not having an SBR you are somehow sparing yourself from potential confiscations, you're missing the boat by a mile.
    Actually, Rob, that is exactly what I think... though that wasn't the point. :) Do you keep all your stuff at home? When asked for your SBR by an agent, don't you have to produce it? What happens if you don't? Or can't? Can you move it across state lines without permission? Don't you have to tell them where you keep it? Tell them when you sell it? Carry the registration everywhere you carry the weapon? Not so with any other weapon. Only NFA affords you this priviledge. Anything else can be sold, given away, lost, stolen, or simply evaporate. On the other hand, I would LOVE to own an SBR. I think they are the coolest thing around and envy NFA owners. Just not gonna spend the money if there is a chance I ever have to give it up for the whims of a politician. Were I a policeman, then I might do it. It is very unlikely they will have their weapons confiscated. They are Govt. employees after all.
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    LOL! Since we are refering to movies for an idea of what might happen, think about this; NFA hasn't kept criminals from getting machine guns. Rewatch "Scarface". NFA is just another tool to control the law abiding and take more of our money. It isn't preventing anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazthebiker View Post
    Wow. Guys, thank you for all your responses.

    BEWARE THE U. N. SMALL ARMS TREATY... It may not pass the senate this year, but it just takes one election to change that.
    Yeah, so much for those who like to tell everyone that their concerns are conspiracy theories, huh? This is a real life action, whom our sitting POTUS would love to sign onto. No need for a consultation with the 2 legislative branches he's proven that little inconvieniience won't deter him, let real life dictator's and other assorted criminals, communists, socialists and other gooines sitting in the UN just do a line itme veto on the U.S. Cconstitutuion.

    So NFA stamps be damned, let's just let the U.N. dictate public gun ownership in the U.S. Now THAT's scary.

    FT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FortTom View Post
    Yeah, so much for those who like to tell everyone that their concerns are conspiracy theories, huh? This is a real life action, whom our sitting POTUS would love to sign onto. No need for a consultation with the 2 legislative branches he's proven that little inconvieniience won't deter him, let real life dictator's and other assorted criminals, communists, socialists and other gooines sitting in the UN just do a line itme veto on the U.S. Cconstitutuion.

    So NFA stamps be damned, let's just let the U.N. dictate public gun ownership in the U.S. Now THAT's scary.

    FT.
    Exactly. I really would like someone to explain why they think having paid the tax makes the weapon a less likely target for confiscation. Heck, I paid for my weapons with my own money. If confscation comes then private property rights mean nothing. How paying a $200 tax changes that is a mystery to me. The 2nd Ammendment would not mean a thing, private property rights wouldn't mean a thing. The stamp is magic? You paid the NFA tax and somehow you are more respected? Heck, didn't everyone who bought a complete rifle pay a special hidden excise tax? If that treaty ever gets through the Senate... your stamp won't mean a thing.
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    I live in a communist state and I can't personally own any of the cool things like SBR's, suppresses, even collapsible stocks and flash hiders. I used to get so pissed because I didn't and still don't understand why we can't have them, yet the next state allows everything. After a while, I just realized that it wasn't a big deal and I learned to live with it. My solution was to get an LMT MRP and have a couple of different barrels with the permanently attached muzzle brakes. I have a collapsible stock, but it is permanently pinned. If I ever move out of state, I'll definitely buy some of the cool toys and enjoy them. I don't think the government will ever pass any laws or confiscate any weapons, but if they did, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I love guns, but I've learned that there are more important things in life than to be worried about an AWB or other gun crap. Honestly, I think the government has way too many other things to worry about than confiscating weapons.

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    I understand what you are saying Mr. Santos, I really do. The fact is that weapons were confiscated during the Katrina disaster. Again, it just takes the right situation to bring confiscation into the realm of reality (U.N. Treaty? Election? Natural Disaster?).

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...rs-up-in-arms/

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-katrina_N.htm

    "In their lawsuit, the gun lobbying groups accused the city of violating gun owners' constitutional right to bear arms and leaving them "at the mercy of roving gangs, home invaders, and other criminals" after Katrina.

    In response, the city argued that federal law doesn't apply to the plaintiffs' claims against city officials "because the right to keep and bear arms has never been recognized as a fundamental individual right."

    Then again, the web of government agencies may just regulate ranges and such out of business:

    http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...SES&p_id=22524

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85705X20120608
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazthebiker View Post
    I understand what you are saying Mr. Santos, I really do. The fact is that weapons were confiscated during the Katrina disaster. Again, it just takes the right situation to bring confiscation into the realm of reality (U.N. Treaty? Election? Natural Disaster?).

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...rs-up-in-arms/

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-katrina_N.htm

    "In their lawsuit, the gun lobbying groups accused the city of violating gun owners' constitutional right to bear arms and leaving them "at the mercy of roving gangs, home invaders, and other criminals" after Katrina.

    In response, the city argued that federal law doesn't apply to the plaintiffs' claims against city officials "because the right to keep and bear arms has never been recognized as a fundamental individual right."

    Then again, the web of government agencies may just regulate ranges and such out of business:

    http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...SES&p_id=22524

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85705X20120608
    The Katrina incident is one of the reasons that you won't see that happen again. So many things went wrong in Katrina.

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