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    They should have put the extra large loop-lever on so you could "twirl" it for that speedy next round into chamber !!
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    Hello Everyone---I'm a total noob to this forum, but not to this subject...

    IMHO, the Zombie thing is a (winkie, winkie) reference to a general feeling of impending societal collapse that will send the formerly cared for class (the Zombies) into a rampage...

    Since we dare not mention or identify these people by name, we must give them a conveniently euphemistic name...Therefore, Zombies...

    Those of us who are preparing ourselves and families for the potential troubles ahead frequent these forums for many reasons; among those to inform and instruct ourselves about the tools we'll need...

    Whether this specific "tool" is appropriate or not I'll leave to those who made and purchase it; I have my own thoughts on the matter...

    Just my humble opinion for what it's worth...Thanks for listening/reading...

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    I gotta agree with 3B on this one...I don't care much for promoting firearms for anything less than serious business. It is one thing for firearms companies to sell more weapons, accessories or ammo as a result of a current popular trend. It is another thing altogether for those companies to promote the trend to fatten up their bottom line. Zombies, bleeding targets...all this stuff does is give anti-gun nuts more "ammo," if you will, to say that we are all freaks who want to shoot something, anything, and make it die. Not saying that you can't have your fun at the range, but it seems irresponsible to me for some companies that I really like to be jumping on this bandwagon. I don't feel that it helps the shooting sports in any possible way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creeky73 View Post
    I gotta agree with 3B on this one...I don't care much for promoting firearms for anything less than serious business. It is one thing for firearms companies to sell more weapons, accessories or ammo as a result of a current popular trend. It is another thing altogether for those companies to promote the trend to fatten up their bottom line. Zombies, bleeding targets...all this stuff does is give anti-gun nuts more "ammo," if you will, to say that we are all freaks who want to shoot something, anything, and make it die. Not saying that you can't have your fun at the range, but it seems irresponsible to me for some companies that I really like to be jumping on this bandwagon. I don't feel that it helps the shooting sports in any possible way.
    Oh I don't know about that. Keep in mind that for a great deal of shooters, they're in it for the entertainment value as much as anything. Not everyone takes this as (though I hate to use the term) "seriously" as most of us here. Seems to me no worse than having Safe/Dead/Undead selector markings. Markings that people were asking for. I think it's hokey and ridiculous, but it's not meant to appeal to people like me.

    As for companies promoting to make more money... isn't that the whole idea behind having a business? From that perspective, if people are asking and willing to pay, wouldn't it be ridiculous NOT to cater to that group of people? It's like teenagers and clothing, the appeal and sensibility is lost on me, but by God they buy it.

    Along these lines, 7.62 Precision is taking it to a whole new level.

    http://762precision.wordpress.com/cu...zombie-killer/

    As for anti-gunners... I think that's largely immaterial. Not that I'm discounting them, I just don't think a glow-in-the-dark bio-hazard sticker on your stock is anything they could hope to make a substantiated claim with. If they want to say it's a mentality issue, someone needs to point them in the direction of all those people doing "Zombie Marches".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn View Post
    Oh I don't know about that. Keep in mind that for a great deal of shooters, they're in it for the entertainment value as much as anything. Not everyone takes this as (though I hate to use the term) "seriously" as most of us here. Seems to me no worse than having Safe/Dead/Undead selector markings. Markings that people were asking for. I think it's hokey and ridiculous, but it's not meant to appeal to people like me.

    As for companies promoting to make more money... isn't that the whole idea behind having a business? From that perspective, if people are asking and willing to pay, wouldn't it be ridiculous NOT to cater to that group of people? It's like teenagers and clothing, the appeal and sensibility is lost on me, but by God they buy it.

    Along these lines, 7.62 Precision is taking it to a whole new level.

    http://762precision.wordpress.com/cu...zombie-killer/

    As for anti-gunners... I think that's largely immaterial. Not that I'm discounting them, I just don't think a glow-in-the-dark bio-hazard sticker on your stock is anything they could hope to make a substantiated claim with. If they want to say it's a mentality issue, someone needs to point them in the direction of all those people doing "Zombie Marches".
    I fully understand how businesses work and how they make money. My point was that, if you believe that the zombie stuff isn't very good for the shooting sports (which obviously you and I have a differing opinion on this) then it would seem irresponsible for firearms companies to have practices that, while making you money in the short run, may damage the reputation of the industry as a whole in the long run. Do I really think it will have this kind of far-reaching impact? No, but we're just opining here, right? As for anti-gunner's being immaterial, I just don't see it that way. Sometime in the very near future, we could very well start to see some serious ramping up of proposed gun control measures. If that happens, the first thing the politicians will do is try to win in the court of public opinion. And in the court of public opinion, all you have to have is an opinion, and it doesn't have to be an educated, well-informed one. And this is really what I am afraid of. Propaganda and lies will get enough of the public behind it, and next thing you know we have Brady Bill part 2.

    I get that this is all stretching..really I do. my overall point is, I would rather see these respectable companies do nothing to blemish the image of the shooting sports, and I would rather us firearm owners not gravitate towards those sort of items. That's all :)

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    I totally agree with you B. This whole silly nonesense has really gotten out of hand. You know have what used to be really credible companies like Spikes selling all kinds of different lowers with any number of stupid rollmarks just perptuating the silliness of it all.

    I agree, it cheapens things and diminshes the stigma that should exist that a firearm is something serious and not a toy.

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    Oh don't get me wrong, I largely agree with you. Just saying I can see how and why it came to be.

    Also, to quote myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn View Post
    As for anti-gunners... I think that's largely immaterial. Not that I'm discounting them...
    Again, don't get me wrong. The word I used there was "that's" and not "they", and what I was getting at was that by itself, a zombie theme is a pretty weak straw for them to grasp at. Not that the anti-gunners themselves were immaterial. If we're standing on pages, we're on the same one.
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    I totally agree with what you all are saying, it's important to remember that firearms are weapons, not toys. And while I do have customers who are LEO's or military, I think you'll find that the majority of products today are going to ordinary civilians who will most probably never use these in a true life or death situation. And as been mentioned elsewhere, there is a massive crunch in this industry. In my business, and in speaking with my customers, it's not even economy or election related. Firearms are going main stream for the first time ever, and it's because of stuff like this, or shows like 'Top Shot' and 'Sons of Guns'. We aren't seeing a spike in sales, we are just selling to a vastly larger market than we have before! And when Joe Blow buys a zombie rifle, it's something he can show his buddies, or tell his wife about, and it's non threatening. It allows them to purchase a black rifle and actually engage in shooting sports without their friends and co-workers thinking they are secret squirrels or anti government anarchists.

    You don't have to buy a zombie gun, and of you're a LEO, it probably shouldn't be your duty gun For exactly the reasons stated! But we should be at least tolerant of this movement. We are seeing gun ownership, the firearms industry, and pro-gun laws exploding like never before, and it's because firearms are going main stream, it's because we suddenly have the financial backing and the market of more citizens than ever before. I would respectfully submit that this zombie and gamer stuff has had the opposite effect of the concerns stated, it actually makes it more difficult for anti gun people to attack us. If someone purchases a black rifle labeled 'Zombie Hunter', that person is viewed as just having fun, rather than being a gun nut, in the publics eye.

    Don't get me wrong, guns aren't toys! But when suburban dad suddenly becomes an avid 3-gunner, and will probably never be in a real self defense situation, you have to admit that the line blurs a little.

    Rather than bashing this crowd I think that we should be welcoming these new shooters, and help them learn how to safely and responsibly enjoy their new sport. That's my real concern, that people are just jumping in without education. But assuming that works okay, let's be honest, those of us who are 'serious' about our rifles are really able to ride the wave being generated by everyone else.

    Thats just my take on it, and what I've seen in my small slice of the industry. Your experience probably varies, and I'm always willing to change my opinion. Thanks for reading!

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    Wow, sorry that was so long guys. It's hard to tell how carried away you're getting on an iPhone!

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    Great discussion! Other forums I have visited would have resorted to name calling and YELLING.

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    I totally understand why many manufacturers are doing this, but it's clearly not the type of product most of us will ever use. If the increased sales put dollars in the manufacturers operating budget, this is a good thing.

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    I guess I can see both sides. I do, however, think Brimstoneguns has a very good point. I absolutely used to cringe when reading a post with the word Zombie or seeing a product marketed to those who use the term. However, since reading some prepper forums I have come to understand that for the serious minded prepper a "Zombie" is a figure of speech representing those in society who are not prepared, will not be prepared, and refuse to think about being prepared for possible disaster. They are those who see no danger on the horizon. As long as Old Navy and Kohl's are still having sales and as long as the paychecks keep coming... they are content with whatever else happens in the world. They are the uninformed, the ignorant of history, and traitors to our founding principles. They are the roving hoards who will try to take what isn't theirs once disaster does strike.

    That is what I have gathered. While I still cringe a little when I see "Zombie" in a post or on a product, it helps to know what that means from the prepper perspective. I won't buy the ammo, I won't buy the products... but my disdain is largely assuaged.
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    WOW!!!!
    Maybe we should all stock up! Zombies are real!

    http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/06/...ating-attacks/

    Unfortunately... the Zombie craze seems to be going mainstream after the latest news reports of cannibalistic crazies. Somebody in marketing just won that trip to Hawaii.

    Can't believe it.

    Then there's this disturbing news from Bulgaria. http://www.kgoam810.com/rssItem.asp?...temid=29860369 With the popularity of Twilight and this news, how long will it be before someone starts selling silver bullets?

    Wait, that's for Werewolves, right?

    Wow.
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    The reason for the Zombie Business

    It all started at F.O.B.'s in Afghanistan. We were looking for a way to make fun of the horrible realities of war. Instead of preparing the F.O.B for the Taliban we started saying how we were going to prepare for a zombie invasion. We got the idea from other units. According to the stars and stripes there was a Lt. that thought it would be more fun to prep for a zombie invasion than the possibility of human invasion. He started drawing up battle plans as if it were zombies and the whole thing exploded across the military and eventually to forums and the internet.

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