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4 October 2014, 13:34 #1
Help me decide...!
The choices seemed simple enough in the beginning, but damn it am I torn...
I am either going to build a 18" SPR type AR or buy and modify an AK to "modernize" it. Here are the two build ideas...help me decide...
AR15 SPR (sorta):
- 18" Medium contour barrel (rife length gas system)
- Standard FSB (Armalite clamp on)
- Muzzle device compatible with chosen suppressor
- Minimalist handguard (Magpul MOE rifle length?)
- 2x-10x variable scope
- Major parts dipped in Kryptek Highlander
AK (modernized)
- Zastava M70-type N-PAP model AK variant
- Midwest Industries AK extended rail (w/micro red dot top rail)
- Techsights AK rear sight system
- ACE collapsible stock tube (AR type)
- Magpul stock of some flavor
- Vortex Sparc (option for magnified optics too)
- Modern muzzle device (not yet determined)
- Also dipped in Kryptek Highlander
I only have enough to build one right now because I am saving parallel to this build choice for an M1A Scout Squad. I also already have a complete lower and stripped upper for the AR build...
Help! I am trying to get all my favorites in the safe before 2016.
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4 October 2014, 14:17 #2New Member
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I've got a N-Pap on the way, so I vote for the AK build.
You are aware that the NPap is a Yugo so double check your parts.
I would recommend the Krebs rear plate over the Ace. You can still use any of the Ace stocks with it.
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4 October 2014, 14:42 #3
Those two guns are very different in their configuration. What do you want out of your gun? A plinker? A run 'n gun weapon? A precision gun? Until you answer that, the only real input you're going to get from people is what they own or what they like, which doesn't solve your problem.
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4 October 2014, 14:57 #4
- 300 yard battle accuracy minimum (5" groups w/ball ammo)
- Under 8.5 pounds
- 120 round min. and 200 round max. loadout still packable
Both fit the bill for the above list and both cost about the same to complete. So I am looking for exactly what you stated...opinion based on personal experience with these two platforms.
I should add that I have an extensive background with firearms so this is not a first build decision. My duty rifle is an AR that I built myself, but it is designed for urban use. This build is more of a "anything" build as I see it.
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4 October 2014, 14:59 #5
1.5 MOA out of a modern AK with ball ammo at 300 yards seems ... unrealistic.
Please correct me if I'm off.
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4 October 2014, 15:02 #6
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4 October 2014, 15:03 #7
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4 October 2014, 15:05 #8
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4 October 2014, 15:05 #9
Personally, I'd be happier with a SPR-ish system, but I enjoy the AR form factor more than the AK. If you've got the right parts, it would seem it's easier to get better accuracy out of the AR (worst case, 4.5-ish inches at 300) than the AK, but obviously the quality of the AK will affect that. It seems to me that if you want to go past 300, the AR is the way to go. Not because an AK can't reach out past that, but the optic on the AR option makes it much easier (as opposed to the RDS on the AK).
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4 October 2014, 15:07 #10
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4 October 2014, 15:14 #11
My experience with my current duty AR (16", 1:9) and M855 ammo is 1.5" at 100 yards. It's never faltered from that; at least not yet. If I go SPR, I hope to keep that trend going--or better.
Now if only 75gr Hornady TAP 5.56 would flood the market again....
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4 October 2014, 16:08 #12Senior Member
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4 October 2014, 16:43 #13
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4 October 2014, 17:24 #14
Do both of them......thats what we do around here right...lol
Ya i get 2-3" groups with std ball ammo,federal,pms 556 stuff.. but my reloads with 55gr plinkers i can manage 1" groups...
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4 October 2014, 18:50 #15
My budget is hanging at the end of a shoestring. Haha.
Hornady TAP is not ball ammo, but in use it at work. I wish bit were at M855 or XM193 prices!
I will eventually build both, but the finances dictate one at a time. Haha.
Reloading is ideal if I had the space to do it right now.