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26 November 2014, 16:41 #31Senior Member
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This is why I went with a SOCOM MINI for my last can. I currently own several legacy SF suppressors, a couple of various 762 SOCOM cans (mini and fullsize), as well. The 556 SOCOM MINI is by FAR! my favorite.
Backpressure is noticeably less than my -212 legacy cans, and while I can tell more sound is coming from the muzzle, due to port blast, the Mini is about the same insult to the shooter's ears.
NO suppressor in 5.56 makes the gun hearing safe. Period.
Supersonic bullet flight is 150dB -+ 5.
Nothing can fix that.
Ejection port noise is modified by back-pressure. This is why the AAC SPR-M4 is one of the loudest cans out there to the shooter, and why the Surefire SOCOM MINI and AAC MINI 4 are quieter to the shooter.
Comparing the -212 fullsize to my SOCOM Mini on my 16" gun, the Mini sounded about 15% louder according to bystanders. To me the shooter, it sounded about the same except I could hear more noise going downrange. I did, against medical advice, crack off a few rounds without ear-pro. The insult from the mini was similar to the -212 to my ear as the shooter.
In short, chasing muzzle signature dB's when shooting supersonic ammunition seems pointless to me if you're ignoring ejection port signature to do it.
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26 November 2014, 16:50 #32Senior Member
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As I understand it, OSS is only endorsed by HK-USA, and HK in Germany is not impressed. The OSS suppressor won't even fit on any of the currently fielded military HK rifles until they come out with an end-mount design. The "muzzle-device"/core is very intricate and once the sleeve is off, well, to me it seems about the same as running around with an exposed baffle-stack. Bang it around a bit and life will suck. Might work good for some users, but for hard use, I'd be leery. That, coupled with some of the oddball statements OSS has made have completely turned me off to considering the thing. If, in a few years, it becomes considered as a viable option by serious users, I will take a look at it, but the first time they came out with it a few years ago, it was a bag of snakes, and I have seen no indication that it is currently a prime-time ready product.
“The issue sound suppressors suck," Johnny told us bluntly. "They are outside ear safe. Not inside ear safe. Ear safe to us is less than 140db in a 4x8ft room, at the shooters ear.”
^That's just NOT possible with supersonic ammunition.
It's a very complex device, to boot.Last edited by JGifford; 26 November 2014 at 16:57.
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26 November 2014, 18:08 #33
I made the same point about the OSS muzzle device. Very intricate and necessary piece of equipment. I'd hate to run that thing through a windshield or bang it on window frames etc while running unsuppressed. Not an issue with other muzzle devices
Although suppressors can't attenuate the supersonic crack, the dB level at the muzzle and the shooter's ear is substantially reduced; combined with even a set of foam earplugs or "combat" style that block out impulse noise, the shooter has a much more comfortable experience, as well as team mates or others on the firing line. Suppressors dampen the concussion (or just redirect it) but I would much rather shoot suppressed 100% of the time. Also, a bolt action makes a huge difference in the noise at the shooter's ear versus a semi auto.
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26 November 2014, 19:20 #34Senior Member
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27 November 2014, 04:26 #35LEO / MIL
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Well I'm just going to throw out my Saker is ready for pickup.....paper trust 4 months!!!.
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27 November 2014, 05:18 #36
I had not heard of thunderbeast until this thread. What makes them so desirable?
I've been considering a suppressed armament Reaper, and it looks like thunderbeast offers a pretty competitive product (1.5" OD, ~7" OAL, <14 oz 7.62 with brakes and hider mounts in 7.62 and 5.56).WWW.TACTICALYELLOWVISOR.NET
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27 November 2014, 06:18 #37
Thunderbeast makes a very high-quality product to exacting tolerances which makes them ideal for precision rifles
SAS cans that you mentioned are great but not widely known. Can't go wrong there
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27 November 2014, 10:14 #38
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27 November 2014, 11:30 #39
To my ear, the SOCOM cans sound louder, but like I said, I still wear ear-pro's with all centerfire cans. Cost for most of course is a large factor, but another thing to consider is, if you want to put a can on multiple platforms, the AAC muzzle devices are typically cheaper as well.
It's true, Surefire does have a lot less POI shift than AAC. However, to me that's not a big deal, because 90% of my shooting is 100 yards and in. I've preached this before, but I don't buy gear around the 1% or less of the time I might be doing something. If you end up getting a bolt gun, if you get a larger caliber. That's a whole lotta if's for something you'll probably be shooting 5.56 out of 99.9% of the time.
Unfortunately suppressors aren't one of those, I can try it out to see if I like it first type of thing. Just have to roll the dice. When I bought my first one, I decided to roll the dice with AAC as they were less than half the price.
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27 November 2014, 11:39 #40
Any input on the Griffin Recce 7 (http://www.griffinarmament.com/Recce...r-p/garec7.htm )? I'm considering that for a .300 pistol. I'd be curious to hear any opinions on Girffin's taper mount system, too.
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27 November 2014, 13:35 #41
One of the best deals I've seen. This one is from Radical Firearms. Buy a AAC SDN6 7.62 suppressor for $1049.95 and get a free complete upper. Then add $99.95 and get a complete lower. Also AAC has a $200 mail in rebate through the end if the year. So for $949.90 you can have a complete rifle and suppressor. They only have 10 of these and their doors open at 0800 on 11/28. Their phone number is 281-207-8788.
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27 November 2014, 13:43 #42WEVO Spell Checker
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27 November 2014, 14:14 #43
The taper mount works really well. The SpecWar uses one similar and my Innovative Arms mount does, as well. It makes a really tight gas seal and keeps the threads clean. Mine has, but doesn't need, the QD latch because the taper seats so snugly.
I really want a Griffin Recce 5
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28 November 2014, 07:03 #44
I've been looking really hard at the Griffin Recce 5 & 7. Also in the mix is the Griffin Spartan 3 direct thread as a dedicated 5.56 can on an SBR or pistol upper. The other .30 cal can I've been looking hard at is the YHM Phantom LT. So many choices I get frustrated then I just sit back and do nothing...
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28 November 2014, 09:29 #45
Thunderbeast is not as affluent in the semi-auto performance market because they're more widely know in the precision long range shooting world. If you got to any large PRS, TRL, or general long range practical rifle event you can see them out there. Almost no POI shift, excellent accuracy, GREAT CS, and now that they are producing a better brake design for the 30CB9 I see them getting a lot more attention. Zak Smith is a good dude that is heavily into the precision game. They are designed more around bolt guns than semi0-autos, but they are worth looking at as I've seen them perform well on semi platforms as well.
https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/30cb9