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Thread: 1-4x or magnifier?
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23 December 2014, 16:10 #61Ground Defense 1, Blade Defense 1, Defensive Pistol 1 & 2, Aliance Shoot House, When Things Go Bad, YSINTG, Carbine 1, DART Medical, NRA Range Safety Officer
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23 December 2014, 16:18 #62
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23 December 2014, 17:33 #63
I'm starting to get less and less excited about the SWFA offerings when I look at the weights. I know it's FFP, but even the 1-4 with a mount weighs more than an Elcan DR. Yes, it's cheaper, but at the end of the day, I keep coming back to the ACOG, which seems to meet both the weight and price points. Just not the tacticool points.
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23 December 2014, 17:44 #64
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23 December 2014, 18:06 #67
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23 December 2014, 18:11 #68
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23 December 2014, 18:16 #69
Next question, calling upon your expertise.
IF I decide to upgrade optics to say something really good... like US Optics or whatever... assuming I get the right design and all that stuff.... what really do I gain over say a cheaper model like the one I am using now?
I paid just over $200 bucks to the door for what I have now (the Bushnell 1-4) but 'really' what is to be gained if I stick with 1-4 but go with US Optics or Night Force or something like that? Same style just different more top shelf brand....
Of course I could probably drive a nail with the Night Force (as in physically banging on it)... but other than that....
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23 December 2014, 18:22 #70
Buis with a scope is not really something needed. Maybe some offset sites if you're super tactical like that, but it's not like the battery in your scope is going to go out and leave you down...
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23 December 2014, 18:24 #71
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23 December 2014, 18:32 #72Ground Defense 1, Blade Defense 1, Defensive Pistol 1 & 2, Aliance Shoot House, When Things Go Bad, YSINTG, Carbine 1, DART Medical, NRA Range Safety Officer
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23 December 2014, 19:01 #73
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23 December 2014, 19:31 #74
Yeah, but what if your BUIS get knocked off at the same time, etc, etc? I mean, unless you're in an all-out war where multiple guys are coming at you and you have no cover, no retreat, and no backups, well, I guess you're screwed then. But in all reality, in most EVERY situation, you'll be fine.
Just get an FSP if you want a buis that will always be there. That's why I've always had one. I've proven (to myself at least) that I can make viable hits at a fair distance with just an FSP. Just takes a consistent position and cheekweld.NRA LIFE MEMBER
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23 December 2014, 20:10 #75LEO / MIL
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I've never used SWFA branded glass but in general the big differences between expensive and inexpensive optics are weight, durability, glass quality and accuracy. clarification of terms:
Weight = favorable size-to-weight ratios in expensive optics
Durability = ability to hold zero after taking abuse, pieces not wearing out as quickly and seals staying tight over time
Glass quality = as you go higher in price, the glass and glass coatings become more refined. In a very basic description, you will get more clarity at higher magnifications, more clarity in low light environments and less ocular distortion around the edges of the image. Differences become very minor as you go up in price though, and you might not even be able to notice a difference beyond a certain point.
Accuracy = by this I am referring the accuracy of the optic's mechanical parts. will the zero you set up at a low magnification be the same at a high magnification? You would think so but this is not always the case. Does one "click" of the knob result in the same amount of movement each and every time? Are the cliks in the knobs even clearly deatinguishable? Does the .1 MOA click actually move .1 MOA or is it something weird like .11 MOA?
Again these are all things that you would think every optic gets right, but that is not always the case.
*edit* I forgot to mention this: A big reason some mid-range optics with similar features (ie. 1-4x with 30mm tube) are far more expensive than others is the way they are manufactured. For instance, all US Optics scopes, from the cheapest to the most expensive, are made in the same factory and undergo the same quality control checks. Other companies (Bushnell in particular) offer similar optics at sometimes drastically cheaper prices. How can Bushnell do this? Answer: they do not produce their own optics. Instead they source them from other manufacturers and re-brand them as their own. This is not necessarily a bad thing as their higher end tactical scopes are very well made and very well regarded. The problem comes in when you start comparing Bushnell's high end optics with the less expensive models. Their different tiers are made by different manufacturers and are therefore not subject to the same quality control. Again, it's not necessarily a bad thing, but it may require you to do a little more research on your end.
Also check out SWFAs used and demo optic sales. They generally have pretty good deals