Firearms Laws

[alamo5000]

I for one am sort of a 'wonk' about certain things...I like to know why things happen and who did what when.

I think it would be good to have a running thread describing when and how we got to our current set of firearms laws.

Such as when did they come up with the bright idea that a suppressor needed a federal regulation? Specifically what law governs this? And when was it first implemented?

What about SBRs? When did they come up with that? Which laws?

Specifically when did they come up with the idea to do 'background checks'?

There are a ton of things...

It might sound kind of nerd-ish but I think it would be interesting to see this all laid out and the context of things. Historical information and current laws would be nice as a running (collective) project for Federal laws on these things.

[Ordnance]

I wouldn't suggest this. The only reason being that the laws are ever changing and different for each jurisdiction including Federal, State, County, and local City. What ends up happening is you get a lot of hear say and misinformation that people will use for legal advice from online research which can often lead to even worse problems. Just my 2 cents...

[alamo5000]

I wouldn't suggest this. The only reason being that the laws are ever changing and different for each jurisdiction including Federal, State, County, and local City. What ends up happening is you get a lot of hear say and misinformation that people will use for legal advice from online research which can often lead to even worse problems. Just my 2 cents...

Of course there will be dummies all over the internet... what is in my head actually would inform people that there are such laws...but point taken. I never intended to have a complete encyclopedia of legalese.

I guess maybe it's just me but I am kind of interested in historical information.

Let's take 'background checks' for example. These were not always in place.

I used to run background checks for a living. Day in, day out I was the go to guy that either gave the thumbs up or the thumbs down for people wanting certain jobs. I personally am not concerned with a background check per se but people who put all their stock in that... ummm no. The whole 'background check' thing is not at all leak proof. It will catch big obvious things that happened in recent times, but when did we start to have to do 'background checks'?

That's one...

Apparently 1986 had a lot of legislation in it because apparently that's when they restricted machine guns (not that I can afford ammo for a machine gun)...

When did they all the sudden start thinking suppressors needed a tax stamp and federal regulation?

We can keep it federal and keep it general as far as I am concerned.

[UWone77]

Brief history of getting fucked over:

National Firearms Act 1934

Gun Control Act of 1968

Hughes Amendment 1986

[alamo5000]

Brief history of getting fucked over:

I like the way you think.

[alamo5000]

Brief history of getting fucked over:

National Firearms Act 1934

Gun Control Act of 1968

Hughes Amendment 1986

One could reasonably argue that a bill written in 1934 is out dated...prior to the year 2000 our banking laws were written all in the 1930's...for the same reason... to fight against organized crime and money laundering and all that stuff.

In 2000 they repealed and changed and updated a ton of banking laws...

[WHSmithIV]

The NFA of 1934 was what started the ban on machine guns as well as short barreled shotguns. This was because the mobs running illegal alcohol during prohibition were having mob turf wars (mostly in the Chicago area of course). They carried a lot of firepower with them since up to this time there was no regulation at all on firearms.

Basically it's the GCA of 1968 that really started the crap. The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 did remove some few little pieces of the provisions of the GCA, but, of course there were changes made to that legislation that also screwed gun owners more. About the only thing that was really accomplished by the FOPA was limiting the ATF to harassing FFL licensees only once a year instead of whenever they wanted to.

[Ordnance]

Brief history of getting fucked over:

National Firearms Act 1934

Gun Control Act of 1968

Hughes Amendment 1986

Lol... Concise and to the point... hehehe

[alamo5000]

A quick Google search based on Uwone's comment led me to this:

https://www.atf.gov/content/firearms...l-firearms-act

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Google is the woman you didn't have to marry because she already had all the answers and doesn't need you...

[Former11B]

One could reasonably argue that a bill written in 1934 is out dated...prior to the year 2000 our banking laws were written all in the 1930's...for the same reason... to fight against organized crime and money laundering and all that stuff.

In 2000 they repealed and changed and updated a ton of banking laws...

Don't ask them to update the NFA to represent modern times., better ask for it to be abolished entirely. The tax was set at $200 in 1934, which is like $3500 now. How many tax stamps would you have at that rate? I'd have MAYBE one. Maybe

It was set to price the masses out of ownership. Like $5 purchase permits in NC, it's an attempt to limit those who could, sadly, make use of a God given right.

[alamo5000]

Don't ask them to update the NFA to represent modern times., better ask for it to be abolished entirely. The tax was set at $200 in 1934, which is like $3500 now. How many tax stamps would you have at that rate? I'd have MAYBE one. Maybe

It was set to price the masses out of ownership. Like $5 purchase permits in NC, it's an attempt to limit those who could, sadly, make use of a God given right.

While leaving the mafia and mob bosses STILL having, owning, and using them.

All it did was give prosecutors other charges they could throw on the mob when they had nothing else.

And by 'update' I did mean to abolish. It's just stupid to make someone pay anything to get a suppressor. Why is it even regulated? The law was written with 1930's era mobsters in mind...so all they had to do was catch them with the gun in order to press charges...

Now they can through science collect DNA evidence and all kinds of forensics to catch criminals and link them to crimes.

But seriously, with today's forensics if someone shoots someone else they can tell which gun the bullet came from in no time flat. In that sense of the word trying to catch criminals... that law is obsolete in it's purpose and intent and effectiveness.

[UWone77]

While leaving the mafia and mob bosses STILL having, owning, and using them.

All it did was give prosecutors other charges they could throw on the mob when they had nothing else.

And by 'update' I did mean to abolish. It's just stupid to make someone pay anything to get a suppressor. Why is it even regulated? The law was written with 1930's era mobsters in mind...so all they had to do was catch them with the gun in order to press charges...

Now they can through science collect DNA evidence and all kinds of forensics to catch criminals and link them to crimes.

But seriously, with today's forensics if someone shoots someone else they can tell which gun the bullet came from in no time flat. In that sense of the word trying to catch criminals... that law is obsolete in it's purpose and intent and effectiveness.

Why don't you get on that, and keep us updated.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Why don't you get on that, and keep us updated.

I literally laughed. Thanks I needed that at work!

[alamo5000]

Why don't you get on that, and keep us updated.

I know people brother. Don't under estimate me :) LOL