For goodness sakes DON'T shoulder your Sig Brace...

[voodoo_man]

[UWone77]

Here's an interesting take on the situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNBbXAoWRz0

Looks like he's quite the user of said illegal drugs in his first example.

So far the ATF issued an opinion, not a ruling.

BUT even if this was enforceable, anyone willing to be the test case?

[voodoo_man]

Looks like he's quite the user of said illegal drugs in his first example.

So far the ATF issued an opinion, not a ruling.

BUT even if this was enforceable, anyone willing to be the test case?

Issue would be of intent, not design or redesign or rereredesign or whatever.

Can you prove intent? Depends on the person and the situation. Pictures and videos help of course.

[Gaspipeshooter]

Issue would be of intent, not design or redesign or rereredesign or whatever.

Can you prove intent? Depends on the person and the situation. Pictures and videos help of course.

Without making a physical modification/change, how is the way you hold it a "redesign"?

[toolboxluis00200]

Here's an interesting take on the situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNBbXAoWRz0

just came to post that

[voodoo_man]

Without making a physical modification/change, how is the way you hold it a "redesign"?

Dont look at it from your or our point of view. Look at it from the point of view of average joe and jane juror.

Do you think they will understand?

[Gaspipeshooter]

Dont look at it from your or our point of view. Look at it from the point of view of average joe and jane juror.

Do you think they will understand?

With the talent pool of jurors in today's society, I'd rather not take that chance!!!

[voodoo_man]

With the talent pool of jurors in today's society, I'd rather not take that chance!!!

Hence my statements of intent.

[Pyzik]

TherealTrippleB is awesome. Dude make's awesome videos.

My SB is staying on. I build a damn pistol not an SBR.

[Pyzik]

Dont look at it from your or our point of view. Look at it from the point of view of average joe and jane juror.

Do you think they will understand?

I am going to throw this out there. I talked with two "liberal" friend's over the last couple days and asked the hypothetical question (BEFORE bringing up the sig brace or guns)...
"If I use a fork to cut my food, did I redesign the fork into a knife?"
-no
"what if cut off two tines and sharpened the other two on opposing edges to make cutting easier?"
-yeah, sure you removed material and and altered it for another purpose (both gave almost the same answer).

"Okay, what if I put an arm brace on a pistol, designed to make it easier to shoot with one hand but instead of using it as intended I put it to my shoulder?"
-Hmmm... I don't know....
"I didn't change a SINGLE thing other than it's placement on my body."
-I don't think you can do that.

^^^Literally how both of them reacted...
When asked but WHY it mattered neither could give me a good answer.

[n4p226r]

I am going to throw this out there. I talked with two "liberal" friend's over the last couple days and asked the hypothetical question (BEFORE bringing up the sig brace or guns)...
"If I use a fork to cut my food, did I redesign the fork into a knife?"
-no
"what if cut off two tines and sharpened the other two on opposing edges to make cutting easier?"
-yeah, sure you removed material and and altered it for another purpose (both gave almost the same answer).

"Okay, what if I put an arm brace on a pistol, designed to make it easier to shoot with one hand but instead of using it as intended I put it to my shoulder?"
-Hmmm... I don't know....
"I didn't change a SINGLE thing other than it's placement on my body."
-I don't think you can do that.

^^^Literally how both of them reacted...
When asked but WHY it mattered neither could give me a good answer.

Are we being honest here? I believe the difference is that we all know the pistol brace was designed to be a shoulder stock, everyone that buys one is buying it to use it as a shoulder stock. And the atf knows this. But they didn't have a chance to rule on it since it was hidden in a dumb Velcro wrap armband that maybe some injured people would find effective.

Now the whole NFA thing is dumb anyways but that's a different story.

[voodoo_man]

Lol liberals

[Former11B]

Are we being honest here? I believe the difference is that we all know the pistol brace was designed to be a shoulder stock, everyone that buys one is buying it to use it as a shoulder stock. And the atf knows this. But they didn't have a chance to rule on it since it was hidden in a dumb Velcro wrap armband that maybe some injured people would find effective.

[Pyzik]

+1

[n4p226r]

Haha. I knew I was going to get crap for that. And since I am new here let me clarify. I am not trying to say your wrong with your description of what constitutes a redesign. Using a pistol brace as a shoulder stock doesn't redesign anything.