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    Online NFA Sales

    I have been looking at the Griffin Armament Recce 5 for my first suppressor. I got my trust all sorted out just days ago and I had planned on calling up to order my suppressor from the Suppressor Shop tomorrow.

    Sad thing is, now the thing is out of stock on their website and pretty much everywhere else I can find. The Silencer Shop had a great deal on them. It's no telling when they will get them back in stock. I will call tomorrow and find out. If it's not going to be very long then I can wait.

    So this leaves me with the option to shop online and see if I can get a similar deal though. If I buy from the Silencer Shop I will need to take a trip to Austin which is about 2++ hours each way...but I also have to pay in state sales tax.

    Or I found someone who will do the transfer for me (Class 3) for $50 and it's only 30 minutes away and I go by there all the time.

    My question is, I have purchased firearms on gunbroker before and that's a snap. Suppressors, never. Seeing how there is a tax stamp in question how would such a purchase go down?

    Silencer Shop was going to do all the Form 4 tax stamp stuff for me...

    But anyway, if I get impatient or find out there is going to be a months on end delay for the Recce 5 to get back in stock and order online somewhere...what is the procedure?

    There is another option out there... they have a Recce 7 in stock for less than $100 more... that is the .30 cal version...

    On a 5.56 the Recce 5 knocks down the noise 38 Db on a 16" barrel. The Recce 7 knocks it down 31 Db (with 5.56).

    Is 7 Db 'huge'? I am still leaning way more towards the Recce 5 but I am curious as to a 'relative sound difference' between those two numbers.

    I guess that makes two separate questions

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    FWIW I have found another dealer (online) that has a similar price to that of the Silencer Shop and they are in stock there. With the cheaper $50 NFA transfer... if that is all that is the cost then the suppressor+tax stamp+ transfer fee= about $50 cheaper to do it that way.

    But I don't know how any of that stuff works.

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    I have only bought one from a dealer out of state, and he had to file a Form3 transfer to my local dealer, which added about 3 months if I remember correctly. Everything else has been bought thru my local dealer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissyJim View Post
    I have only bought one from a dealer out of state, and he had to file a Form3 transfer to my local dealer, which added about 3 months if I remember correctly. Everything else has been bought thru my local dealer.

    This is the kind of information I was fishing for. I didn't know that. A form 3 and a form 4? So instead of 3 or 4 months it's going to be more like 6 or 8 months.... unless I can find one in state.

    Too many forms.

    I thought dealers could send back and forth to each other but I guess I am wrong. Well wrong in that I never knew in the first place.

    Dang it. I got all ready to go with this and was going to pay for everything bright and early tomorrow morning but they are now out of stock at the only place I can find in Texas that has them in stock.

    Is there any way to file form 4 and form 3 at the same time?

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    Then this brings me to the second question... if I get the .30 cal version... that is in stock. The difference is that I would be able to use the suppressor on any future .30 cal builds and on a 5.56... but based on their numbers at Griffin the Recce 7 is 7 Db louder than the Recce 5 for 5.56. I don't know enough about it to say, but is 7 Db a big deal? On the plus side I could build a .300 upper and be ready to go.

    So there are pluses and minuses to it.

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    On the AAC website three of their suppressors, the 5.56 SD is build for 5.56 and says on a 16" barrel it is (-31 Db)... the same as the Recce 7. The SR5 and the M4-2000 both are listed as (-32 to 34 DB)...

    Relative to the AAC SD I would not lose ANY performance (based on the supplied numbers from each manufacturer) but I would also have a multi caliber suppressor for basically $150 more.

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    Form 3 transfer times vary, just like all the other times. A few months ago, it was 3-4 weeks. I don't know what it is right now, but it's probably not 3 months. I'd Google it and you'll see updated times with a little reading. I think it's around 6-8 weeks at the moment.

    The process isn't much different than sending a Title I firearm to your FFL. Just order it, call your FFL and have them send their SOT to the seller (if they don't already have it on file) and then they should send the F3 off to the ATF. Like everything else, just make sure you go through a reputable seller. Again, Google can help with that, but obviously the bigger names are more well-known.

    As for the 7dB difference...mathematically, that's a huge difference. Realistically, only you can really make the call. I was running a .30 cal can on my MK12 this weekend, and I don't notice a huge difference, especially out in the open, but that's me. I'm sure if you actually looked at the numbers, though, the .30 cal can was louder, at least on a meter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gatordev View Post
    Form 3 transfer times vary, just like all the other times. A few months ago, it was 3-4 weeks. I don't know what it is right now, but it's probably not 3 months. I'd Google it and you'll see updated times with a little reading. I think it's around 6-8 weeks at the moment.

    The process isn't much different than sending a Title I firearm to your FFL. Just order it, call your FFL and have them send their SOT to the seller (if they don't already have it on file) and then they should send the F3 off to the ATF. Like everything else, just make sure you go through a reputable seller. Again, Google can help with that, but obviously the bigger names are more well-known.

    As for the 7dB difference...mathematically, that's a huge difference. Realistically, only you can really make the call. I was running a .30 cal can on my MK12 this weekend, and I don't notice a huge difference, especially out in the open, but that's me. I'm sure if you actually looked at the numbers, though, the .30 cal can was louder, at least on a meter.
    What is SOT? (sorry for the dumb question)

    Ideally I would find a Recce 5 in stock... just a few days ago they had them in stock, in state, so within the past couple of days it went out of stock. I guess I need to call them back and see how long it will take to get back 'in stock'.

    I hope not too long.

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    3 dB is roughly double the sound pressure, and 10 dB is about double the perceived loudness. Gatordev is right, 7 dB is a big difference, but keep in mind that comparing suppressors is only relevant when they're tested on the same gun with the same ammo one after another.

    For instance, silencer shop showed the omega being 6-7 dB louder than silencerco's posted data, but it isn't an apples to apples comparison since it was different ammo/barrels/weather.

    If you're in the mid 130's then that's all you can really expect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippers View Post
    3 dB is roughly double the sound pressure, and 10 dB is about double the perceived loudness. Gatordev is right, 7 dB is a big difference, but keep in mind that comparing suppressors is only relevant when they're tested on the same gun with the same ammo one after another.

    For instance, silencer shop showed the omega being 6-7 dB louder than silencerco's posted data, but it isn't an apples to apples comparison since it was different ammo/barrels/weather.

    If you're in the mid 130's then that's all you can really expect.
    There are too many formulas involved to figure out how they measure noise.

    That said my MAIN purpose for getting a suppressor at all is for maximum noise reduction. Of course this is all within reason.

    On Griffin's website they list the Recce 5 as 38 DB on a 16" barrel which is what it's going to be on. I would assume it would be relatively close. So let's just say my gun blasts 165 DB right now I would be at least at 130... but the sonic crack is about 140...

    At this point I guess it's a matter of being patient and seeing when they will get back in. I will try to get that answer first and if they say 'two weeks' then that's ok. If they say 3 to 6 months that's a whole different story. Depending on what kind of answer I get I might explore other options (IE buying online somewhere).

    I don't like being patient though. It takes too long.

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    Buying suppressors will teach you some patience. :)

    If I were you I'd avoid buying out of state. The form 3 on my saker added 2 months to my wait.
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    SOT= Special Occupational Tax. I probably didn't use the term SOT 100% correctly, but basically the "fee" for the Class 3 dealer to make a transfer and/or sell. He pays an additional fee (I can't remember if it's a tax or not, but someone here can correct me) in order to hold that particular type of FFL.

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    A quick update: I talked to the guys selling the suppressor I want. They seem very good to go. The guy I talked to seemed like a very cool guy. According to him though he says with them form 3 is coming back like clockwork between 4 and 7 weeks.

    I called the FFL and they will charge me a very reasonable rate but the one lady says they have form 3 that were sent off back in November for transfers to them and they still aren't back.

    I don't know which side to lean towards.

    On a side note the FFL said they will look into it about becoming a Griffin dealer....which I don't know if that would speed anything up.

    I am leaning towards waiting until the silencer shop has them back in stock. It eliminates all form 3 worries if I do.

    On the other hand I am tempted to buy the one there and get it on... Either way you slice it I am gonna have to wait longer than I thought.

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    The Recce 7 will add an additional 2" roughly and 5oz over the 5...noticeable differences. And with the dB reduction decrease, I'd say it's a no-go. NFA is a waiting game so DONT COMPROMISE. Find what you want, pay a little more for the good stuff, and you'll have no regrets. It's not like you can return it or easily resell it if you're disappointed.

    Not that the Recce 7 is a bargain can by any means but it IS a compromise. It doesn't do what the 5 does for your needs nearly as well. I'm told a 4dB difference can be heard so 7dB should be noticeably louder...then there's the added weight and length...

    I can't find one in state so I think I'm about to Form 3 one from NC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Former11B View Post
    The Recce 7 will add an additional 2" roughly and 5oz over the 5...noticeable differences. And with the dB reduction decrease, I'd say it's a no-go. NFA is a waiting game so DONT COMPROMISE. Find what you want, pay a little more for the good stuff, and you'll have no regrets. It's not like you can return it or easily resell it if you're disappointed.

    Not that the Recce 7 is a bargain can by any means but it IS a compromise. It doesn't do what the 5 does for your needs nearly as well. I'm told a 4dB difference can be heard so 7dB should be noticeably louder...then there's the added weight and length...

    I can't find one in state so I think I'm about to Form 3 one from NC
    Yes, I agree. I am not really that much into patience but I guess I have no choice. I would rather have what I really want than to get a jack of all trades master of none kind of thing.

    I have a link to a Recce 5 at a really good price out of Indiana if you're interested. I talked to the guy and he sounded really cool. I was about an inch off of having them form 3 it but I guess in the end it's a risk of time that I didn't want to mess with... at some point they will be back in stock here... but I could envision myself doing the form 3 and having it take 6 months just for that part and I didn't want to chance it. Either way I will be waiting so it is what it is.

    I also sent a local dealer to Griffin... they are applying to become a stocking dealership... they emailed me an update saying they sent everything to them... if they get them in stock there that will save me a trip to Austin which is over 2 hours from me each way...even if they are remotely in the ballpark on price then that could be interesting.

    I don't mind buying more than one suppressor so if I get the Recce 5 and later on if I build something bigger then so be it. I can buy a can for that too. But as you said, being a first time purchase and 'it's not like I can just return it' so that stuff just makes me kind of nervous, hence all the questions.

    I did entertain the idea of going with a bigger multi caliber suppressor but in the end the idea was pretty short lived especially since I won't be swapping it between guns. I don't have another AR caliber (yet) but I am not ruling that out...but if I go there I will get something meant for that when I do it. As for now I am having plenty of fun with what I have.

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