Fireclean...is it just re-branded Crisco Vegetable oil? Video...

[Evintos]

http://www.vuurwapenblog.com/general...e-theres-liar/

Train wreck is getting bigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abBKYE8lP7o

A lot of people are kind of hung up on the Crisco brand but in the Weapon Shield v FireClean video, George Fennel also uses Wesson oil (another brand of vegetable oils) and Pam as an example (approximately 1 minute 45 seconds in). His Facebook post is definitely a not-so-subtle jab at one of his competitors but claims that FireClean is a vegetable based oil (similar to canola oil) looks correct.

It's like anyone that calls all tissue paper, Kleenex. Another example would be people who call hook and loop, Velcro. So on and so forth. This situation has been blown way out of proportion.

[UWone77]

http://www.vuurwapenblog.com/general...e-theres-liar/

Train wreck is getting bigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abBKYE8lP7o

A lot of people are kind of hung up on the Crisco brand but in the Weapon Shield v FireClean video, George Fennel also uses Wesson oil (another brand of vegetable oils) and Pam as an example (approximately 1 minute 45 seconds in). His Facebook post is definitely a not-so-subtle jab at one of his competitors but claims that FireClean is a vegetable based oil (similar to canola oil) looks correct.

It's like anyone that calls all tissue paper, Kleenex. Another example would be people who call hook and loop, Velcro. So on and so forth. This situation has been blown way out of proportion.

It's definitely getting bigger.

Wow.

[schambers]

Honest hypothetical question:

If fire clean never existed, and there was a general consensus within the firearms community that Crisco worked very well as a lubricant, would you give it a shot? Use it as your primary form of lubrication?

[Dstrbdmedic167]

The biggest shame here is that he is still running windows XP...

[velocity2006]

Honest hypothetical question:

If fire clean never existed, and there was a general consensus within the firearms community that Crisco worked very well as a lubricant, would you give it a shot? Use it as your primary form of lubrication?

Most likely. I currently just use synthetic motor oil and it's been working just fine for the last 5 years. I stopped drinking the name brand oil juice a long time ago. For the money the oil cannot be beat, may smell a bit, but that's the only negative. For heavier metal on metal contact (my 1911's and M1/M14 style actions) I use universal gun grease, and that holds up pretty well also.

[WHSmithIV]

Rapeseed oil
Soybean oil
Fireclean oil


These 3 samples are what the graphs were from. Anyone who thinks Soybean oil = Rapeseed oil needs their head examined. So then asserting that since the graphs are similar, Fireclean must be "Crisco" is the height of stupidity.

So, what we need is an accurate chemical composition analysis taking pure vegetable oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil, canola oil, soybean oil, rapseed oil, corn oil and this fireclean oil and find out what it actually is. That shouldn't be very difficult since it can be done with a mass spectrometer. Once it is 100% verified what it exactly is, then there could be a pretty massive lawsuit from whoever makes the actual oil since it is unlikely that fireclean has been paying them royalties for using their product and re-marketing it.

[GOST]

So, what we need is an accurate chemical composition analysis taking pure vegetable oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil, canola oil, soybean oil, rapseed oil, corn oil and this fireclean oil and find out what it actually is. That shouldn't be very difficult since it can be done with a mass spectrometer. Once it is 100% verified what it exactly is, then there could be a pretty massive lawsuit from whoever makes the actual oil since it is unlikely that fireclean has been paying them royalties for using their product and re-marketing it.

You're making a lot of assumptions.

[UWone77]

So, what we need is an accurate chemical composition analysis taking pure vegetable oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil, canola oil, soybean oil, rapseed oil, corn oil and this fireclean oil and find out what it actually is. That shouldn't be very difficult since it can be done with a mass spectrometer. Once it is 100% verified what it exactly is, then there could be a pretty massive lawsuit from whoever makes the actual oil since it is unlikely that fireclean has been paying them royalties for using their product and re-marketing it.

Will... c'mon man. Do you even know what you're talking about?

[Former11B]

http://www.vuurwapenblog.com/general...e-theres-liar/

Train wreck is getting bigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abBKYE8lP7o

A lot of people are kind of hung up on the Crisco brand but in the Weapon Shield v FireClean video, George Fennel also uses Wesson oil (another brand of vegetable oils) and Pam as an example (approximately 1 minute 45 seconds in). His Facebook post is definitely a not-so-subtle jab at one of his competitors but claims that FireClean is a vegetable based oil (similar to canola oil) looks correct.

It's like anyone that calls all tissue paper, Kleenex. Another example would be people who call hook and loop, Velcro. So on and so forth. This situation has been blown way out of proportion.

It doesn't matter if it's pee in a bottle, if they use different ammo to overplay the "burn off" effect of Fireclean (which I think is a joke any how) then that's mistruth/intentional misdirection to beef up the product

[DutyUse]

I doubt there are many (if any) malfunctions that guys run into that, having used a different lube, would/could have been prevented. Use your favorite lubricant and move on...

[gatordev]

I doubt there are many (if any) malfunctions that guys run into that, having used a different lube, would/could have been prevented. Use your favorite lubricant and move on...

Eh, it depends on how resilient the lube is. I personally don't use FC, but I continually hear at how well it holds up under temp/use, and I can understand that being a selling point. If one lube doesn't hold up under use, it can cause malfunctions compared to one that does hold up. I've had this exact issue pop up with Slip 2k on a suppressed gun in the Florida summer. With regular Slip 2K, I couldn't get through 200 rounds without the BCG severely slowing down. When I switched back to Slip 2K EWL, it keeps on running with no issues. The regular Slip 2K was free (Slip shipped it to me accidentally and just said keep it), so I didn't really care it didn't work, but it was an important data point.

Overall ambient temp can be another important factor that, depending on the lube, could cause malfunctions. Having one lube that I know will operate at 0*C and 40*C makes life much easier than having to buy different types based on a location I may be going to. There's many lubes out there that will work across that temperature span, but there's also some that won't.

[DutyUse]

Eh, it depends on how resilient the lube is. I personally don't use FC, but I continually hear at how well it holds up under temp/use, and I can understand that being a selling point. If one lube doesn't hold up under use, it can cause malfunctions compared to one that does hold up. I've had this exact issue pop up with Slip 2k on a suppressed gun in the Florida summer. With regular Slip 2K, I couldn't get through 200 rounds without the BCG severely slowing down. When I switched back to Slip 2K EWL, it keeps on running with no issues. The regular Slip 2K was free (Slip shipped it to me accidentally and just said keep it), so I didn't really care it didn't work, but it was an important data point.

Overall ambient temp can be another important factor that, depending on the lube, could cause malfunctions. Having one lube that I know will operate at 0*C and 40*C makes life much easier than having to buy different types based on a location I may be going to. There's many lubes out there that will work across that temperature span, but there's also some that won't.

Good point. I totally concede temp can have an big impact and you should make educated decisions. where I'm coming from is hearing guys prattle on endlessly about why their favorite synthetic motor oil x is better then equally good brand y. Marketing folks have gotten so good these days that they've made little cults lol

[alamo5000]

This thing is gonna be as big as Hillary's email scandal.

[WHSmithIV]

Will... c'mon man. Do you even know what you're talking about?

Probably not, but apparently nobody else knows for sure 100% what it actually is anyway.

[gatordev]

Good point. I totally concede temp can have an big impact and you should make educated decisions. where I'm coming from is hearing guys prattle on endlessly about why their favorite synthetic motor oil x is better then equally good brand y. Marketing folks have gotten so good these days that they've made little cults lol

So true. I've said it before, but there's two subjects in the internet gun world that bring out the most emotion and bizarre-ness: piston guns and lube.