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    GO TIME ACTIVE SHOOTER CHEST RIG

    Check out this LE rig. It was designed for an LE officer to combat and prevail in an active shooter situation.It allows an LE officer to have some type of chest rig with additional ammo. Unlike a harness type chest rig, this one just drops right over your head, a two inch buckle the side and your good to go. This rig was designed by Shellback Tactical by an active LE officer. It is manufactured in the USA by Tactical Assault Gear.

    Like to know your thoughts on it.

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    It looks similar to the Tactical Tailor Mini-MAV. The TT version comes stripped, and you can add what you need. Most of the ones that LE troops are carrying use the triple shingle giving them 3 M16 magazines, with a couple carrying extra pistol mags on it as well.

    The idea is certainly sound, and in the times that I've had to grab extra gear in my LE career, the items were needed quickly. Having something in your cruiser ready to go is imperative, if its hidden away in a box back in the trunk, you won't have time to grab it.

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    Do you have any connection to this item?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m24shooter View Post
    Do you have any connection to this item?
    I was thinking the same thing--the combo of userid and this being the OP's first post makes me more than a little skeptical...
    Last edited by jvencius; 18 February 2009 at 11:32.

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    From what I can tell from the small picture on the web page link provided, I have to agree with Stick with it having the similar appearance of a Mini-MAV from Tactical Tailor. Personally, I would prefer to customize my "Go vest" the way that I would personally use it and be most effective with. Though it is nice to have two extra mags, I think that 3 should be the minimum in an active shooter situation. A basic combat load for a "typical" soldier in a combat zone is 7 mags (210 rounds). Now I would hope that an active shooter situation would not take 210 rounds per officer to end, but it is better to be prepared than to say, well I wish I would have.....

    Getting back on point about the featured product...

    I don't think 2 rifle mags are enough. How many handgun mags do you need? (Murphy would probably have a different answer.) I have one in my G21 and 2 on my belt. I think that the space on my "Go Vest" would be better used for something more specific for the "active shooter" mission than more handgun rounds. (i.e. some first aid solutions...some chem lights...some flex cuffs...some door stops...etc.) I still need to find something that will allow me to carry some hydration and some food. Active shooter situations are rarely an in and out type of incident. If you don't have food and water on board, you may not get any for quite some time. If you are going to have more handgun mags on your vest, stacking them in front of your rifle mags would be an option. Don't limit yourself to just bullets on your vest.

    Ultimately the end result of anyone getting a "Go Vest" / "Go Bag" / etc, is for that officer/operator to be more prepared to go to battle. Even thinking about putting one together puts and officer/operator ahead of most. Having something that works well for you and that you are comfortable using is what matters most. Also ease of use and accessibility is a must.

    Good luck to you all in finding something that works out. Be safe out there.

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    I would have to agree that this chest rig is a good start but not good enough. My first attempt at an active shooter kit was a thigh rig that carried two extra rifle mags. I based this purchase on my department’s requirement that we carry at least one extra mag every time we deploy our rifle. After thinking it through and having some practical application, I quickly decided that a rifle and 90 rds (30 rds more than required) was a big step in the right direction but clearly inadequate.
    I have now gone to a shoulder bag (go-bag, man purse, active shooter kit) or whatever label you want to put on it. I can now carry 3 extra rifle mags, 2 extra pistol mags, flex cuffs, door wedges, a small medical kit, a small bottle of water, Power Bar and a flash bang.
    I now feel this is the bare minimum but it is the balance that I have come up with between being mobile and being another target. Since I don’t have an issued cruiser I have to load and unload gear for every shift. I’m far from lazy but I also had to consider how many trips I was going to make from the locker room to the cruiser.
    I love the idea of a go-vest with ballistic coverage but that is big $$$$. In addition, I don’t think I could get all the gear on the front of my vest that I have in my little go-bag. I feel confident that I could carry my go-bag throughout an active shooter incident at a large school or mall. A tac-vest with all goods would definitely slow me down and wear me out on an extended search of a large structure.
    My vote is for the bag. I’ll go confidently with someone with a tac-vest, but the guy with the chest rig and a couple of extra mags hasn’t properly prepared. I know he / she hasn’t thought this battle through.

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    Just in case you didn't read my essay.......no I don't like the chest rig you're trying to sell.
    Last edited by scumhunter; 11 March 2009 at 03:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumhunter View Post
    My vote is for the bag. I’ll go confidently with someone with a tac-vest, but the guy with the chest rig and a couple of extra mags hasn’t properly prepared. I know he / she hasn’t thought this battle through.
    We're seeing more and more nylon gear comming out from various sources. The one-size-fits-all plan doesn't always solve the problem. The end user has to examine what they want to accomplish, what is going to work for them and go from there.

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    I know that I'm new here and all. I don't especially like this bag either. But holy hell scumhunter, all the crap that you're talking about carrying, there are people in active war zones that aren't taking that much junk with them for entire missions. What do you mean when you say "deploy" your rifle? I use mine on high risk car stops, high risk warrant service and other stuff. Sure it would be nice to have an entire trailer, card table, bed and all kinds of extras there with me for every situation, but I have improvise, adapt and overcome. Sometimes I even have to throw my carbine over my back and run after someone. I think with my water bottle, thigh rig and all that other crap that may hinder me a little bit. Have fun getting your ditty bag out of your car, with the happy meal in it while I'm working on getting the job done.

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    You may be new but you bring up a good point; I also “deploy” my rifle for high risk stops, building searches and many other patrol applications. My department requires our rifles be kept in the vehicle trunk, thus “deployed” into service. I’ll attack this policy at a later time and attempt to stay focused on the question at hand.
    I don’t grab my active shooter bag for every high risk vehicle stop either. My active shooter bag is designed and stocked for the “text book” active shooter situation at a school, mall, hospital, etc. My go-bag contents are pretty standard. I’m not trying to be condescending but it sounds like maybe you haven’t gone though any professional active shooter training. Let me re-list my contents and add an explanation or two as to why I carry it.
    Ammo, lots of ammo! I have extra rifle and hand-gun ammo. How much ammo should one officer carry? I think you will get a different answer from every “expert” in the field. I have a total of 150 rds .223 and 75 rds .40. I want more but I also want to be able to move quickly.
    Water and Power bar (Happy Meal-lol). If I get into a large structure such as a high school I know the primary search for “the shooter” may be short OR long. Hydration and food may not be needed for the primary search. Without question, the secondary search for additional shooters and additional victims WILL BE LONG. I want food and fluids to stay on my A-game if I’m spending the next 2-3 hours searching a large structure.
    Flex Cuffs, I carry six pairs in my bag. Most mass-murders work in singles or pairs but I may not be able to determine the good guys from the bad guys right away. I need to be able to secure potential threats as well as known threats. Flex cuffs can also be used as a make-shift tourniquet for heavy bleeders.
    Small medical kit, I do carry minimal medical supplies. These are for me or my partners. If I or my partner take a round I know it could take a long time before the area is safe enough for the fire department to scurry to us. I just carry enough stuff to stop bleeding and sustain my life or my partner’s life. My job is not to provide medical treatment for the citizen “victims”. My job is to find the SOB that shot them and take care of business.
    Door wedges are very helpful in a long search. You can wedge doors closed on areas that you can’t search for tactical reasons (door locked from the inside). You can also wedge doors open to maintain visual coverage or wedge fire doors open so you can re-access areas incase you need to change course.
    Flash-bang. I carry one (1) flashbang in my go-bag but I don’t know anyone else who does this. I can imagine some scenarios where a bang could be useful. Do I think a bang is a must have? Not at all, I’m not sure I’ll keep carrying it myself. It adds a lot of weight and takes up space that could be used for other items. It will stay in my go-bag for now.
    Extra batteries are a must for a long search. Both my weapon mounted lights chew up batteries pretty quick. My regular flashlight is rechargeable but it will accept the same (123) batteries that my weapon lights use. I carry 6-8 extra batteries, stock goes up and down on a regular basis.
    I likely have some other things in my bag but this is all I can think of right now. I’ll try to remember to throw my bag on a scale for future debate.
    When I deploy my rifle for a high risk vehicle stop or other quick application, I do not grab my go-bag. I meet my department’s “extra magazine policy” by keeping two mags clinched together. If I go into a large building search or other situation where I am holding my rifle for a long period I take my go-bag. I put the “double mag” in my go-bag and use a single mag for weight reasons. I train on a regular basis with both single mags and my double mag for just this reason.

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    -Rant On-

    Though I respect everyone's opinions on here, I think we can make these discussions more tactful and also keep an open mind when others have opinions or suggestions. What may work out great for one person may not be feasible for others. There is no "cookie cutter" answer to anything we do. No two calls we go to are going to be exactly the same. Being prepared is what we all want to be for any and all situations that we go into. Improvising is part of the game and most of us probably do it on a daily basis. Forethought of potential problems and situations can save us when the time arises. I don't think that it is necessary for us to get into a "mine is bigger than yours" match, but to inform others what we have found to work and what doesn't. It is up to each of us to make determinations of what will suit us best. We make mistakes and we learn from them. Others make mistakes and we learn from them. Not making the same mistake twice is how we become better at what we do.

    -Rant Off-

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumhunter View Post
    Flex Cuffs, I carry six pairs in my bag ... I may not be able to determine the good guys from the bad guys right away.
    I suppose this is intuitive to at least some extent, but it remains an excellent point. In military settings, such as personnel recovery or downed pilot pickups, standard procedure dictates that captives/aircrews should NOT attempt to take an active part in their rescues, as the potential for a tactical team to mistake them as hostiles is significantly elevated if they are on the move during the initial breaching/engagement. Cuffs and blindfolds are often all a part of the rescue process because, as noted above, things that are readily apparent 10 or 20 minutes after a tactical mission are often anything but clear during the kinetic action phase.

    Moving back into an LE setting, it is a far better thing to zip a half-dozen possibles as a precautionary measure than it is to miss just one beligerent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero7one View Post
    -Rant On-

    I think we can make these discussions more tactful and also keep an open mind when others have opinions or suggestions. What may work out great for one person may not be feasible for others. There is no "cookie cutter" answer to anything we do. I don't think that it is necessary for us to get into a "mine is bigger than yours" match, but to inform others what we have found to work and what doesn't.

    -Rant Off-

    Stay safe out there.
    “I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying I’d do it differently”………..my boss loves that line.
    I’m not sure if this was directed at me or Cannon but I am open minded to other points of view and I certainly wasn’t trying to step on any toes or be untactful. If you want to blaze into an active shooter situation with a rifle and a couple extra mags, I’m not saying your wrong; I’m just sayin’ I’d do it differently.
    If my family is in a building with an active shooter I pray that at least one of the first responders show up with a rifle and a warrior mindset, anything else is just gravy.
    If I’m one of the first responders, I’m showing up with all that and a few extra tools that may or may not make a difference on how this poo storm turns out.
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    So let us begin anew — remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness ... ---JFK

    Steady, boys. Steady.

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    Stand your ground; don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here. -- Captain John Parker, Lexington, 1775.

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    I was just playin, honest. I really liked my cookie cutter joke that got edited. Now I'm all pouty. You can take my jokes but you can’t take passion for gear!

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