147gr 9mm Issue

**alamo5000** · 27 January 2016, 19:58

Originally Posted by Dstrbdmedic167

He did say he had some cfe pistol. I've had good results with that. I say give that a go...

Hodgon CFE Pistol has a load listed for 147 gr...

4.2 grains gives you 963 fps...

That will get you there for sure. I would go for that and ditch the E3 experiment.

**Dstrbdmedic167** · 27 January 2016, 19:59

Originally Posted by alamo5000

Hodgon CFE Pistol has a load listed for 147 gr...

4.2 grains gives you 963 fps...

That will get you there for sure. I would go for that and ditch the E3 experiment.

I loaded my cfe with 115 but have since switched to 115....

Speaking off I need to seriously catch up on my reloading...

**alamo5000** · 27 January 2016, 20:12

Originally Posted by Dstrbdmedic167

I loaded my cfe with 115 but have since switched to 115....

Speaking off I need to seriously catch up on my reloading...

I've used Hodgon Universal for pistol loads and I've had nothing but success with anything from 115 to 147's... I have over a thousand .380 rounds... It's been really good. I can use it for anything from .380 to .45...

**SwissyJim** · 27 January 2016, 20:25

Originally Posted by alamo5000

For example Hodgon Titewad is listed right next to E3 on the burn rate chart so burn rate wise it's very similar.

On Hodgon's site they only have one 9mm load listed for Titewad period and that is with a 124 grain bullet. Their data shows a max load of 3.4 grains resulting in a velocity of 942 fps out of a 4" barrel.

After reading about that powder you are using it makes sense why it's not working.

Are you looking at TiteWAD or TiteGROUP? 2 different powders with a huge difference... TiteGROUP will work great as a 9mm 147g sub round (it's all I use for this purpose)

**alamo5000** · 27 January 2016, 20:30

Originally Posted by SwissyJim

Are you looking at TiteWAD or TiteGROUP? 2 different powders with a huge difference... TiteGROUP will work great as a 9mm 147g sub round (it's all I use for this purpose)

Titewad

On this chart Alliant E3 is #5 on the list and Titewad is #6...

Titegroup is #14

https://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Burn%20R...02015-2016.pdf

**SwissyJim** · 27 January 2016, 22:08

Ah, ok... Just wanted to make sure. I had not seen any mention of Titewad until this. But you were comparing his E3 to Titewad of which there is only one load listed for 9mm (I'm surprised there is even one!). Gotcha! And yeah... don't think the E3 will work, bit too fast of a burn. But from my experience the HS6, Titegroup and CFEPistol are all good to go. I use the titegroup exclusively for my 9mm subs anymore, it just works too good not too.

**mustangfreek** · 28 January 2016, 03:10

Originally Posted by Dstrbdmedic167

Speaking off I need to seriously catch up on my reloading...

Same here...too damn busy lately to get into it without being disturbed..

**Former11B** · 28 January 2016, 06:22

Originally Posted by alamo5000

For example Hodgon Titewad is listed right next to E3 on the burn rate chart so burn rate wise it's very similar.

On Hodgon's site they only have one 9mm load listed for Titewad period and that is with a 124 grain bullet. Their data shows a max load of 3.4 grains resulting in a velocity of 942 fps out of a 4" barrel.

After reading about that powder you are using it makes sense why it's not working.

I only use Titewad in .45ACP but it does work well. Very small amounts of powder needed for bunny fart loads in a 1911. Sidetracking, I know

I wonder if it's the suppressor contributing....was the brand/model mentioned and I missed it somewhere?

**SwissyJim** · 28 January 2016, 08:29

I haven't seen the suppressor brand, but I suspect it's at least contributing to the issue? On my Colt 6920, everything ran flawless until I added the suppressor, then I never got the last round BHO. Added the next weight up buffer and all is well - the suppressor added enough that the BCG moved a little faster. Possibly the slide is doing the same issue here...?

**Sak007** · 28 January 2016, 09:05

I'm running a Osprey45 .

**Former11B** · 28 January 2016, 09:31

I'd be interested to see if a smaller can would make a difference as well. Glock 19s tend to be a little more finicky than a 17 when running suppressed; while many people run them suppressed just fine, I feel like I read about more issues than with 17s

**Dstrbdmedic167** · 28 January 2016, 09:52

I run an osprey 45 on my 19. No issues to be found thus far....

**SwissyJim** · 28 January 2016, 11:04

Osprey45 on my G35, but definitely something to try if at all possible.

**Sak007** · 29 January 2016, 06:04

Im gonna up the grain on the E3. I saw 3.0-3.3gr was for 115gr projectiles and the 147gr needed to be closer to 3.6.

**Sak007** · 29 January 2016, 09:59

Just got back from the range and all went well .
3.5gr E3 cycled un suppressed and suppressed , slide on a couple didn't return all the way back and needed a little push
3.6gr E3 cycled flawlessly .
Guess it's time to hit the Dillon and get all my 9mm loaded so I can start on 300blk , and also figure out what to do with 7lbs of hs6

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