Throwing out Frog Lube

[Aberration79]

This will be the 4th firearm that Frog Lube has been the cause of consistent malfunctions. So I had built 2 16" AR's. I thought the wife might actually shoot it, but she doesn't seem to care that much. So I took all the good parts and transfered them to one rifle, figure I would sell the other to fund a can for the 300BLK. I didn't swap that much, the muzzle device, BAD-ASS levers. Nothing I thought would effect function. I take it out to shoot, FTE. The brass would hover better getting T-Boned by the bolt, or it not even clearing the port. If I had a wingman, I would have had them use the hi-speed function on the iPhone to take a look. Given I couldnt seem to manage it myself, I assumed the bolt was not cycling fully.

Well I had JP silent captured spring. So I end the range day, put in a normal carbine spring and buffer.
Next weekend same problem. Inspect ammo. Out of 250 rounds I bought, 117 had cracks on the neck of the brass. Crap, shitty ammo.
I order new ammo. Found a good deal on 75gr, I got Noveske 1/7 barrels. Sweet.
Yesterday, same fucking problem. But the 75gr shot great, well for me. 1.5MOA @ 100yds.
So today I took up a different buffer, and a Mil-Spec BCG. I have a Rainier Arms NiB in it.
Turns out swapping the BCG fixes the problem. I finally get to shoot the 8" gong and stand I bought.

So I get home, take apart the bolt to see WTF. And answer is.... ejector is gummed up. What lube am I still using cause I was a dumb ass and bought the big bottle and I can't just throw it out? Frog Lube.

Yeah yeah, I know people swear by it. But heres the problem. You have to wipe ALL of it off. Every single little bit of excess. If you don't this crap will get into everything, and if you don't get to shoot a whole lot, it gums up.

The wife is probably having a heart attack with my Q-Tip and pipe cleaner budget. I don't spray it on, I just wet a Q-tip. I make damn sure I get whatever excess I can.

So far my Arsenal AK failed because the FL gummed up on the twisted springs. My FNX-T failed when it gummed up the hammer. Its gummed up my Stevens .22, and I have been spraying that down with PB blaster for months. It still won't cycle right and you can feel the action is squishy. And now it dicked up an AR ejector enough that it couldn't actually eject brass.

In the trash. Gonna make me some Ed's Red or some version of it. The wife will miss the smell.

[Brahmzy]

WeaponShield. Never jumped on the FrogWagon.

[Eric]

I've had nothing but positive experiences with Weapon Shield as well. I'm not a Frog Lube defender, but there are a couple of things that I have noticed: It does not play well with other lubes or solvents, so totally de-grease prior to use. It takes a small amount of product to do it's thing and the excess should be wiped off. I know that several people at work have ditched FL and gone back to more conventional lubes.

[FortTom]

I've had nothing but positive experiences with Weapon Shield as well. I'm not a Frog Lube defender, but there are a couple of things that I have noticed: It does not play well with other lubes or solvents, so totally de-grease prior to use. It takes a small amount of product to do it's thing and the excess should be wiped off. I know that several people at work have ditched FL and gone back to more conventional lubes.

I use Frog Lube almost exclusively. Is it the best stuff since beer and pizza? No. But for me, living in a Condo now, it's a good choice. I don't have to worry about caustic chemicals on the carpet, smelling up the whole place with chemical smells, etc.

I'm not sure how you're using it, but 9 out of 10 times I hear people swearing it off like the clap, they are not using it as directed. Most of the time they glob the stuff all over everything. If you've got it gumming up something, you're using too much. All other chemicals should be cleaned from the lube points with frog lube cleaner. Heat the parts and wipe off the excess. Nothing should be left to gum up anything, except the bit left in the pores of the metal. It should look as if it almost doesn't have any lube on it.

Anyway, I'm not selling the stuff. I don't think it's the best thing on the market, I think it's the best thing for me. It's amazing, when used as directed, how my BCG looks dry, but after a few shots there's a very thin film of lube there. And it cleans up even easier. I don't get -20F temperatures down here, but I've put parts in the freezer for an hour or so, and don't see frozen gunk as so many people describe. There shouldn't be enough of it on the part to create a frozen layer.

So, use it, don't use it, send your left overs to me. But from your description, I'd wager that the OP is not prepping according to FL's instructions and/or using way too much of it.

FT.

[Eric]

I'm not sure how you're using it, but 9 out of 10 times I hear people swearing it off like the clap, they are not using it as directed. Most of the time they glob the stuff all over everything. If you've got it gumming up something, you're using too much. All other chemicals should be cleaned from the lube points with frog lube cleaner. Heat the parts and wipe off the excess. Nothing should be left to gum up anything, except the bit left in the pores of the metal. It should look as if it almost doesn't have any lube on it.
FT.

I'm not experiencing issues with it. I just pointed out that some users from my agency have elected to use other products, even though FL is provided. For me, I went through the appropriate thorough cleaning, degreasing, heating process and avoid over-application. I have not experienced issues that some others have, but I follow directions and typically use it in a fairly moderate climate.

[JGifford]

I'm not experiencing issues with it. I just pointed out that some users from my agency have elected to use other products, even though FL is provided. For me, I went through the appropriate thorough cleaning, degreasing, heating process and avoid over-application. I have not experienced issues that some others have, but I follow directions and typically use it in a fairly moderate climate.

You may want to be careful, as over time, it can get/collect into tiny places that you don't clean, such as the selector switch detent, the ejector, etc.

[Aberration79]

Some ATF fluid, some motor oil, and a touch of Sea Foam. That's my plan.

[GriffonSec]

Some ATF fluid, some motor oil, and a touch of Sea Foam. That's my plan.

Been doing that since the Army in the early 90s. Only no ATF, just 10/40 now 20/50. Kept me from scraping 240 bolts after field exercises. Cleans up super easy after range days. Cheap bottle just doesn't photo well on the internet next to that nice list of parts I suppose.

[Aberration79]

I started using Frog Lube because of this test. http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667

[din]

I ditched my Froglube, too. I haven't heard any first-person reports on the new Froglube "Extreme" that's supposed to address the problems people were having with the original formulation, but I've noticed a lot of places have the original on clearance. I've had pretty good luck with Fireclean in my ARs, you just have to get any old lube all the way off before you use it, and I did have it gum up the hammer and slide on one of my 1911s, so I switched back to EWL for my pistols.

[Aberration79]

I ditched my Froglube, too. I haven't heard any first-person reports on the new Froglube "Extreme" that's supposed to address the problems people were having with the original formulation, but I've noticed a lot of places have the original on clearance. I've had pretty good luck with Fireclean in my ARs, you just have to get any old lube all the way off before you use it, and I did have it gum up the hammer and slide on one of my 1911s, so I switched back to EWL for my pistols.

Isn't that just purified Crisco? :D

[Joelski]

Just got some Lucas Oil gun lube and it seems to work pretty decent. Doesn't smoke or burn off fast, doesn't get tacky like the frog stuff. Red like tranny fluid, not sure if there's any other secret stuff.

[mustangfreek]

I recently helped a friend put together a upper, he seen some frog Lube on the bench, told him about it etc..had a extra little tube, gave it to him said after you break in/ shoot it then scrub some on...lol fast forward a little run into him and asked how it shot , lol nothing but bad words coming out his mouth, he went back to Montana and was cold, frog lube froze up and gummed/ jammed in operable he said, ...

I have experienced similar up here in the wet/cold Nw, I only use it in the summer, once it runs out in not sure, just use clp for everything else as I always have and it works decent for cleaning and lubing for storage but want to try out something different...always wanted to try slip/ewl for the AR's... using up some fp-10 I got with a pistol and it seems good but haven't heard how it works in AR's and such

[rob_s]

I got on the Slip2000 bandwagon way back when, never had a problem, never jumped off.

Lube was one of those things where I never understood why people felt the need to ditch what was working to go with the new hotness. Especially with such dippy names a "froglube".

[Iraqgunz]

Not sure why the name is "dippy". The person who founded Froglube is a retired Navy SEAL Captain and SEALs are known as "frogs" coming from their origins as "frogmen". Seems to make sense to me.

I got on the Slip2000 bandwagon way back when, never had a problem, never jumped off.

Lube was one of those things where I never understood why people felt the need to ditch what was working to go with the new hotness. Especially with such dippy names a "froglube".