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    I just realized someone else responded to this- so I'm deleting their response- sorry for the double tap. - they basically posted the product description from the website which you can see there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo_man View Post
    Not really.

    Just wondering why someone would put a word like "extreme" is a pretty simple looking stock.
    The stock has water has debris and water evacuation ports which communicate with the Griffin MRE (receiver extension), allowing the carbine to clear water and fouling that otherwise is trapped in the system causing ill effect to reliability and also to safety [in the case of water]. It also features metal reinforcement and material thickness 4-5 times thicker than competing designs in the toe of the stock - that area that breaks when the stocks are abused, and replaces the mil-spec locking pin with its vulnerable thin threaded shank with a full diameter 17-4 heat treated tool steel locking pin, and the material surrounding the pin has better contact surfaces than the traditional pin systems by virtue of that different pin. The latch system is redesigned and has no protruding components. The spring is stainless steel instead of music wire so it is outdoor use rated.

    QD swivels are 300lb rated under ideal conditions- and as Bill Geissle stated, the military wanted that 300lbs to allow a soldier to be suspended by a sling in an emergency (where obviously he would have no safety factor as would be recommended in climbing equipment) <stating the obvious. But there are stocks on the market that that 300lbs would tear the QD socket out of the stock. Our stock will not fail in those conditions.

    I'm not saying the original carbine stock is worthless or can't be used outdoors- the military proved that several wars could be fought with the existing stock, but in engineering terms music wire is not recommended for outdoor use, and from an impact perspective, the locking latch design, [and probably to a lesser extent the reciever extension itself] is flawed. We can't make a product that is not "improved" and expect to give the customer any reason to purchase it. So we improve products.

    The Extreme Condition Stock name fits the mission of the stock. It isn't a swiss army knife with 14 moving parts, but it is designed specifically to be more combat durable, and to bring reliability to the system. The stock it would replace would also be "combat durable" but when people say that, they wouldn't be talking about buttstoking someone in the face so much as just not falling apart under normal use. With our stock we're talking about buttstroking someone in the face, because we think a combat stock should be able to do that.

    Granted it may be a sporting rifle to you- but it is the modern musket to someone else, and that original musket was expected to buttstroke someone in the face without issue.
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    I like the stock. It looks like a Magpul CTR gave it the cheekrest and top shape, and a LMT Sopmod gave it the adjustment latch and butt pad.

    The fact that it's engineered to be very durable is a bonus.
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    Wow! I'm sold on the "extremeness". Amazing how many areas of improvement I never even considered.
    “ When I comes to modern politics, I think the inverse of Hanlon's Razor applies...In other words, "Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice." - Kerplode

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIFFIN ARMAMENT View Post
    With our stock we're talking about buttstroking someone in the face
    Can we see some field testing of this? You know...just to make sure it works as designed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeviantLogic View Post
    Can we see some field testing of this? You know...just to make sure it works as designed.
    Video's would be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo_man View Post
    Video's would be nice.
    Can see an Article 15 or Deliberate Pie Dynamics video needing to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIPER 237 View Post
    Can see an Article 15 or Deliberate Pie Dynamics video needing to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIFFIN ARMAMENT View Post
    With our stock we're talking about buttstroking someone in the face, because we think a combat stock should be able to do that.

    You just sold one, right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeviantLogic View Post
    Can we see some field testing of this? You know...just to make sure it works as designed.
    We'll probably be putting something together when production stocks are available. It's looking like production stocks will be shipping in January- the parts had a couple mold revisions and modified the material for greater durability and colder temperature durability. We will have some samples at the January shows. The stocks pictured are prototypes that were destructively tested in the development of the product.
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    Griffin Armament A3 Grip &amp; Extreme Condition Stock

    Gonna get one of those grips.

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    ECS™ (Extreme Condition Stock): $ 59.95 msrp

    Features:

    – Fits mil-spec buffer tubes
    – Water / debris evacuation ports function when used with Griffin MRE (available separately)
    – Proprietary low drag, heavy duty latching system
    – Stainless tool steel locking pin
    – 17-7 locking spring is all weather durable
    – Stainless spring tempered ambidextrous anti-rotation QD sling swivel socket
    – Ergonomic angled non slip rubber butt pad
    – Available in Black, OD Green, FDE, and Grey
    – Weight: 8.9oz
    – Length: 6.8”

    A3 GRIP: $15.95 msrp

    Features:

    – More vertical angle for reduced wrist fatigue and anatomically correct pointing characteristics
    – Ambidextrous thumb shelves
    – No finger grooves allow universal fitment
    – Signature square texturing provides comfortable gripping surface

    RailShield™ M-LOK™ Compatible 4 piece panel kit: $ 29.95 msrp

    Features:

    – Grade 5 hardware
    – Includes side panels, palm stop and flat bottom panels.
    – Square texture matches Griffin A3 grip
    – 4.6” length allows full hand grip to be protected from thermal transfer
    Griffin is shipping furniture at the time of this press release.

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    I just got a set of those rail covers in the mail. Not really sure how I feel about them yet. They do look nice.

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