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    Over penetration considerations

    Iíve been wondering about over penetration on CC handgun ammunition. Last year I was shopping for suitable .380 ammo for my wifeís carry gun and ended up deciding on Lehigh 90gr. extreme penetrator ammo. In gel tests it stayed within the 12Ē-18Ē and had a permanent wound channel of about an inch, the entire way through.

    Thatís better performance than my 9mm 147gr. Federal HSTís. And itís out of a .380.

    While I donít really doubt the HST Iíve been looking more and more at the 9mm versions of whatís in my wifeís gun. Catch is, being solid copper, those Lehigh rounds have pretty ridiculous over penetration issues. The 115gr. Extreme penetrator has a penetration base in excess of 30Ē... but the permanent wound cavity is over an inch the entire length of that. A lighter version of the round with larger flutes comes in at 80gr. with a penetration base of 16Ē and a whopping 2Ē permanent wound channel. Thatís... crazy.

    My concerns are that the 80gr. would have a POI difference than my usual training ammo, and the 115gr. just never wants to stop.

    Now Iíve heard it said that every bullet you shoot has a lawyer attached to it, but in the real word, what really are the odds of getting attacked with lots of other people around? In my head the scenarios tend to play out alone, at night, with a very very low likelihood of a round that may over penetrate actually causing harm.

    On the other hand, thereís mass shooting events to consider. Definitely more people involved there. However, those people are likely all fleeing the attacker, again making me wonder if over penetration would still even be an issue.

    What are your thoughts on all this?
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    My thoughts are that if in an emergency you really needed to shoot somebody odds are that 75% or more people will miss with at least half of their shots. That said a few years ago now I was walking to my car in a parking lot (it was lit but it was night time) and the cops had some nut case that was hopped up on something at gun point. They had him with at least one AR but they were shouting down everyone to move and get out of the line of fire. That wasn't because of any ammo related things but rather situational. They were [possibly] going to have to shoot into an asphalt parking lot with cars scattered around it.

    While yes ammo related issues are important, but situational awareness is just as, if not more important.

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    I think this is one of the many situations that is so easy to “what if” to the point it makes you crazy

    I would pick what round functions 100% in the host weapon that is also affordable AND accessible (one 20rd box of the best stuff ever isn’t as good as twenty boxes of the next best thing IMO)

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