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    Switch to 300 blk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mustangfreek View Post
    After shooting suppressed a little while now, I can join in and say ARs donít suppresse very well lol

    I have been using a few things, since I like tuning my shit and want it to run the best I can get it..Still changing shit around

    But in my 10.5Ē i was using a bootleg carrier for a while and works well for what it is vs a std carrier.. Besides making the upper so much more dirty.. But, again I canít leave shit alone, So swapping around buffers and springs currently (any suggestions for baby smooth , perfect function, Iím listening:) ..)

    Also just swapped in one of those BRT suppressed sized gas tubes (.059 port) Ran up for a quick test the other day...tons better, runs softer and lot less gas.

    I also use a SLR adjustable gas block on my 12.5Ē 308 (first adj gas block I ever used) and with a pri fat boy gas toob and H3/armalite spring & A5 length toob, it shoots softer then my 556 ars it feels like

    Now I moved the bootleg over to the grendel
    What suppressor?

    Iím doing very basic things and donít have all these gas issues. Over complicating it is easy

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    This. I'm good with Stoner's design for the most part. I did put a AGB on my M5, but that was $67 vs. zillion dollar money and time rabbit hole fucking with springs and buffers for a carbine system that wasn't designed for large caliber rifles. John can chime in here, but I imagine I could have put a rifle buffer system on it and it would have run just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joelski View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Former11B View Post
    What suppressor?

    Iím doing very basic things and donít have all these gas issues. Over complicating it is easy
    Lol.What gas issues? Btw 2 of these Iím talking about are RA barrels.

    I was just mentioning the things Iíve played with. Std shit nowadays has huge gas ports and add a can and ..overpassed is the norm for about all ARs unfortunately

    Phuck that, I went down this road, why not fine tune it to MY setup

    You run adj gas blocks and gimmicky charging handles, so not sure what iyour over complicating comment is about.

    I donít know why some more companies just canít drill a small hole, instead of a Grand Canyon.. 556 with a can will run with a .045-.050 ish port no problem.. why the yugggge fogging holes......

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustangfreek View Post
    Why?
    It's Apple's stupid marketing ploy; "It just works". Super or sub, suppressed or not. No fucking with it whatsoever. If somebody chimes in with a different opinion, I will submit that their nature is to tweak shit, which is 100% unnecessary with 300 BLK. If that sounds too much like Brittingham's Koolaid, I'm sorry, but that's the results I've had. Whatever gas port, pistol length gas tube, stock Carb buffer. Done.

    You reload; get after it. And don't hand me that "oddball ammunition" crap, Mr .270. If you ever want to try it, I'll send you 50 cases to get started with.

    Quote Originally Posted by mustangfreek View Post
    I donít know why some more companies just canít drill a small hole, instead of a Grand Canyon.. 556 with a can will run with a .045-.050 ish port no problem.. why the yugggge fogging holes......
    I'm sure high dollar shops like Hodge can take your money to do that, or a competent gunsmith can weld and re-drill your port if the barrel is valuable enough to modify, rather than replace. The fact is, those who own and use suppressors is a niche market compared to those who don't. As a manufacturer, why change tooling to do that when you can sell the barrels and let the owner do all the putzing to get his gun to work correctly? DD did back off their gaping port size after enough people griped about it, but who has gone appropriately smaller? Sucks, but that's economics 101 in today's world. Hell, even guns sold as dedicated hosts have oversize ports to run shit ammo. I can't understand why somebody would invest in a nice gun, or NFA items, only to run shit ammo? I know you reload your own, so that's definitely not directed at you, but the dumb-dumbs who buy cool shit, then expect it run sardine can shit are what's making it tough for the guys who want good specs. Hell, the military does it so they can strip NATO rounds of a body in a firefight, so don't expect that to change. The mil isn't all SOF; there are plenty of mouth breathers who can fuck up a wet dream, let a lone a high reliability weapon!

    I haven't done an extended test on my 180 yet, but so far, with 200 round sessions (which is nothing, I know), I'm surprised with the small amount of blowback crud accumulation in the lower. For a right-handed shooter, I haven't found a better solution to gas face than that system. Granted, I haven't put my suppressor on it yet, and I'm sure that when I do, it will increase the crap buildup, but I'm sure that adding oil will work for it, just like a traditional AR/M16.
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    We don't get to hunt with anything but straight sided ammunition in Ohio (yet, I hope). The exception is feral hogs and coyotes, but hogs are fairly thin this far north just yet. Night coyote hunting is a fooking blast. I am positive 11 bravo could take out a deer at 100+ with 300 BLK supers, but the thing is, where the F are you going to have much more than 50-100 yards line of sight, hunting in the east?

    That said, I am looking forward to 8.4 BLK and seeing what it can do, both target and 'yote hunting-wise. If that materializes, and for some reason I can't resist, that will get me into reloading for sure, but Hornady is quoting $1.20/round give or take 10%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustangfreek View Post
    Why?



    Lol.What gas issues? Btw 2 of these I’m talking about are RA barrels.

    I was just mentioning the things I’ve played with. Std shit nowadays has huge gas ports and add a can and ..overpassed is the norm for about all ARs unfortunately

    Phuck that, I went down this road, why not fine tune it to MY setup

    You run adj gas blocks and gimmicky charging handles, so not sure what iyour over complicating comment is about.

    I don’t know why some more companies just can’t drill a small hole, instead of a Grand Canyon.. 556 with a can will run with a .045-.050 ish port no problem.. why the yugggge fogging holes......
    Because most people shoot shit ammo, and the suppressor market is tiny, like really tiny vs everyone else shooting non-suppressed. Making small gas ports or really correct gas ports will get people complaining their guns don't cycle their crap, underpowered ammo.

    If you want to see a Grand Canyon gas port, check out some midlength 300 BO Black Hole Armory tried to make back in the day. Those did not cycle because middy 300 is just not a good idea.

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    Iíve played with 300 BO

    Nothing exciting about it other then shooting lobbing subs...which is still ehh

    Got to reload if you want to shoot any decent amount of them.. which is still up there

    I can build subsonic 308ís for cheaper..

    UW- I know all about it, as you sent me that barrel Long ago to play with...lol..it did run with supers and a carbine buffer.. Buy was not enjoyable to shoot

    I get the smaller market for suppressor stuff, but itís grown crazy in the last few years

    Itís not that hard to make the same barrels with 2 different ports.. but then again this day and age, most mutha F ers are lazy and donít wanna tinker..

    My 10.5Ē RA 556 barrel with 057 port with xm193 ammo is still running and locking back on a H2 with a 556 can.. can still go lower, but itís so much better then the stock .076 port...

    Iíd like to try a brn setup
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    Quote Originally Posted by mustangfreek View Post
    Why?



    Lol.What gas issues? Btw 2 of these Iím talking about are RA barrels.

    I was just mentioning the things Iíve played with. Std shit nowadays has huge gas ports and add a can and ..overpassed is the norm for about all ARs unfortunately

    Phuck that, I went down this road, why not fine tune it to MY setup

    You run adj gas blocks and gimmicky charging handles, so not sure what iyour over complicating comment is about.

    I donít know why some more companies just canít drill a small hole, instead of a Grand Canyon.. 556 with a can will run with a .045-.050 ish port no problem.. why the yugggge fogging holes......
    I have two Griffin ďSNACHĒ charging handles

    The first one I got because it was new and the guy who sold me the can had one and sent it to me. Literally did nothing gas related on my rifle because no gas was coming out of it.

    I bought a second one because I liked the handles, how solid it was, etc not because of the gas relief feature because they donít have gas coming out of them. All the other charging handles Iíve bought since have been Geissele ACHs.

    All I said was ďitís easy to overcomplicate itĒ. I see tons of people replacing tons of parts and they get so far away from ďzeroĒ they donít know whatís causing their issues.

    And if you ran a .045-.050 gas port, all these people running Wolf and Tula would cursing the barrel or rifle online. The underpowered rounds wouldnít work with it, especially unsuppressed

    The AGBs are tuned to where they function on all rifles at the same point: where they function unsuppressed with the same ammo so theyíre all running the same rate of gas return unsuppressed. They do bleed off gas when suppressed but thatís the point. I could run the AGBs much more open but then the rifles wouldnít function unsuppressed and it would be like mimicking the tiny gas port.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Former11B View Post
    I have two Griffin “SNACH” charging handles

    The first one I got because it was new and the guy who sold me the can had one and sent it to me. Literally did nothing gas related on my rifle because no gas was coming out of it.

    I bought a second one because I liked the handles, how solid it was, etc not because of the gas relief feature because they don’t have gas coming out of them. All the other charging handles I’ve bought since have been Geissele ACHs.
    Don't get too attached to the SNACH because they quit making them, at least the original version. The V2 is a non ambi version that is less than impressive. I sent mine back and ultimately got a refund. The problem I have is they still promote it using the same photos and literature as the V1 even though it's nothing at all like the V1 (which I have two of those myself).

    I am looking for an alternative so I will give the other one you mentioned a look.

    As far as the actual function of "gas busting" goes, over time I have come to think that gas busting charging handles in general are ok but they cannot over ride other portions of the gun causing over gassing. They might add that extra 5-10% from a good setup to make it great but they won't fix a bad setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustangfreek View Post

    It’s not that hard to make the same barrels with 2 different ports.. but then again this day and age, most mutha F ers are lazy and don’t wanna tinker..

    You basically nailed your own point right there.

    The suppressor market has grown exponentially since 2008, but it's still a micro fraction of the firearms market. Most don't understand the basics of gas port dimensions, so like you said, it would be pointless to release barrels with multiple gas ports.

    One option is to cut down a .060 gas port 16" I cut down 2 RA mountain barrels with .057 to .062 gas ports tp 10.3" Right now they'll only run with a can.

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    Do any charging handles do a better job then others?

    Regarding Griffinís Suppressor Optimized Buffer:

    In the current market, cost constraints and a desire for rifles to run with cheap, underpowered, steel jacketed ammunition are driving forces for many firearms companies who are involved in what appears to be a constant race for the bottom.

    Most rifles are aggressively over-gassed and supplied with cheap, light CAR buffers which are employed to reduce system cost, robbing rifles of necessary weight for reliable chambering with fouled chambers. This also encourages premature unlocking of the bolt, causing undue extraction stress, contributing to operational failures and mechanical failures of critical system components.

    Suppressors further increase system operating speed and exacerbate the over-gassed condition. Our AR Suppressor Optimized Buffers (SOB) will work to resolve these issues by allowing a carbine to run more smoothly and reliably.


    The AR-SOB (Suppressor Optimized Buffer) has a spring loaded (Gen 2 addition), staggered impact design that offers increased system dwell time, reduced bolt speed, and enhanced chambering reliability of your AR style rifle. The AR-SOB can be used in conjunction with or without a suppressor.
    $54.59 MSRP


    The AR-SOB-A2 weighs 5.6 ounces, and can be used in suppressed 5.56mm rifles as a replacement for the M4 carbine series buffers, when used in conjunction with the AR10 mil-spec CAR receiver extension, Griffin AR-10 Maritime Receiver Extension, or "Vltor A5" buffer tube, AND AR-10 CAR action spring.
    $59.95 MSRP
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    I just got one of them newer Sob buffers today.. So going back up this week to test it out versus the std H2

    Some testing this weekend

    10.5 with .059 Brt gas port/tube
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    With can off it wonít run with a H2 but will with a H
    Still room to go smaller. Quick pic
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    I personally didnít think the SOB buffer thing is doing anything groundbreaking......I donít feel like it is doing anything positive or negative for my suppressed SBRs......seems like a gimmick.

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    Ya, now in hand. Not sure what the hype is about.

    If it feels like a regular H2, i will sell it and try out a A5 setup (A5 toob, tubbs,kynshot)

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