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9 December 2014, 19:30 #1
Suppressor Knowledge
I am strongly considering filing all the proper forms for a trust and starting to save for a suppressor. Given I have a very long want list so I have to decide where along the line a suppressor really fits in. That being said part of my process that I take before making any kind of 'major' purchase is to first learn about whatever it is I am thinking about buying.
After that I think it over, then I oogle over it, then I make a calculated choice. In other words I don't do much impulse buying. I would just assume learn and save and then buy the 'best' choice for me from the get go.
I know there are numerous types of suppressor designs. Here is just a sample of what I am talking about.
Stacked Baffles
The One Piece
And there are probably many other types. I have even seen some types that go over the barrel and others that have springs in them.
Just like with everything else I dive into the sheer numbers of styles and types are daunting. Initially I am attracted to the one piece type. To me they seem like they are less prone to fail. There are not multiple parts and to me more simple is better. Of course I want effective but I am not sure of the complex designs.
What are the pros and cons to one type or the other? I personally would like one that I can take apart and clean if I want to. But what I am really asking is for a basic discussion on pros and cons of these sometimes funky designs you can find by searching google.
A second question that might be a bit more straight forward is what kind of effects does running a suppressor have on the gun itself? By nature a suppressor captures the muzzle blast and contains it... and by default you wind up with much more back pressure.
If you did nothing else how much would it increase pressure on say a 5.56? (but feel free to enlighten me about others if you want). Would running a suppressor cause a more violent slam of the Bolt on an AR? I also assume it does make your gun run dirty because simply put you are trapping a lot of those gases. Is an adjustable gas block really a 'must' or is that more of a nicety? Is any consideration given to the buffer spring?
I've shot with a suppressor on a number of times, but not a lot. I recall once I shot a suppressed pistol and the whole time I was getting peppered in the face. I guess it was just blow back.
Basically what are the things to look for if I were to purchase something?
As a side note to this I am no where near buying or owning a suppressor (for now) but within the next 6 months or so I realistically could get set up and have the money to file the papers and all that stuff. It could be sooner than that but I am being general. Also please note I am not really talking or asking about the pros and cons of buying direct or setting up a trust or any of the legal part... I am talking technical here for right now. Later on once I learn more about what I am in for technically speaking then we can get more into the nuts and bolts of the legalese.
But for now which kind of suppressor works better? Which style do you like better and why? Are stacked baffles easier to get baffle strikes vs say the one piece design?
Does barrel length effect anything significant in relation the performance of the suppressor?
Of course the mount does matter too... Some fit over a muzzle device, others slide a few inches over the barrel, others screw right on the barrel. Some have a quick detach function and others do not. I understand to some degree but over time I will have to develop a preference for one or the other.
Anyway you guys get the picture here... so please share some knowledge and/or experience so that I can (eventually) make a wise choice.
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9 December 2014, 20:00 #2
I don't know much about suppressors either, but from the bits and pieces of digging I've done - I'm slightly more inclined to stacked baffles (at the moment) mainly because of the ease of cleaning (compared to a single piece suppressor).
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9 December 2014, 23:27 #3
You may not need to clean it as much as you think. Also, yes baffles are important but don't get focused on the baffles themselves as much as the quality and overall design along with any feature you may want. The most important question... What do you plan to use it on primarily?
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10 December 2014, 02:36 #4
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10 December 2014, 06:50 #6LEO / MIL
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Do you clean your muffler? Cans don't require that much cleaning unless you are choosing to fire lead through it. They perform better dirty anyway.
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10 December 2014, 07:06 #7
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10 December 2014, 09:35 #8
.22lr cans get dirty. Other calibers typically vaporize the junk so it doesn't build up. I prefer a monocore design for .22lr, and I just throw the whole thing in "the dip" for a couple hours to clean it every 1000 rounds or so.
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10 December 2014, 09:47 #9
Shooting jacketed .22 in my experience helps as well. To my ear, monocore and stacked baffles in .22 cans sound about the same.
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10 December 2014, 10:07 #10
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10 December 2014, 10:20 #11
Alamo, Take a breather before you confuse yourself. You need to figure out WHAT you want to suppress before you figure out which baffle stack you like the best; indivdual K baffle stacks vs monocores (not "The one piece" lol) I'm going to take a second and dissect your first post. I'll edit my answers back in here when I'm done.
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The suppressors with springs are pistol cans. Suppressors used on moving barrels, like a Glock for example, need a booster piston (the spring) to soak up the recoil and movement of the barrel in order for the pistol to cycle properly. If you use a booster piston on a fixed barrel, the spring and suppressor will jackhammer the threads...no good. But running a can with no booster on a moving barrel will likely cause the gun to have serious cycling issues. These boosters have specific notches that keep them in place, so what is moving is only what needs to move, to prevent failures.
The "over the barrel" cans are called Reflex Suppressors. They are typically seen in precision semiauto rifles, and examples are OPS INC/Allen Engineering and the Griffin Armament SPR. They are extremely quiet suppressors, as they are typically longer than most, yet reduce Overall Length very little due to coming back over the barrel due to the mount design.
Just like with everything else I dive into the sheer numbers of styles and types are daunting. Initially I am attracted to the one piece type. To me they seem like they are less prone to fail. There are not multiple parts and to me more simple is better. Of course I want effective but I am not sure of the complex designs.
What are the pros and cons to one type or the other? I personally would like one that I can take apart and clean if I want to. But what I am really asking is for a basic discussion on pros and cons of these sometimes funky designs you can find by searching google.
A lot of manufacturers are making their 9mm/.45 pistol cans user serviceable now due to people getting the most bang for their buck and wanting to use them on a variety of guns like .22lr, 300 BLK Subsonic, etc so they can use LEAD bullets and have the ability to clean the cans out.
If you are shooting nothing but jacketed centerfire rifle through a suppressor, like a 5.56 or 7.62, you DO NOT NEED a serviceable suppressor, and most rifle cans are not serviceable, due to the amount of pressures they see, they NEED to be fully welded and a solid unit. Huntertown Arms makes a serviceable 5.56 can and I've seen several pictures of them failing at the threads. No thanks.
A second question that might be a bit more straight forward is what kind of effects does running a suppressor have on the gun itself? By nature a suppressor captures the muzzle blast and contains it... and by default you wind up with much more back pressure.
If you did nothing else how much would it increase pressure on say a 5.56? (but feel free to enlighten me about others if you want). Would running a suppressor cause a more violent slam of the Bolt on an AR? I also assume it does make your gun run dirty because simply put you are trapping a lot of those gases. Is an adjustable gas block really a 'must' or is that more of a nicety? Is any consideration given to the buffer spring?
Also, with any suppressed gun, rifle or pistol, QUALITY AMMO is a key. I can tell the difference in crappy Tulammo through my G19 compared to my cleaner handloads in how it functions and the amount of blowback in my face. If you don't make a habit of eyepro before, a suppressed handgun will make you a user.
Basically what are the things to look for if I were to purchase something?
But for now which kind of suppressor works better? Which style do you like better and why? Are stacked baffles easier to get baffle strikes vs say the one piece design?
Innovative Arms .22lr
Does barrel length effect anything significant in relation the performance of the suppressor?
Look at the 21st post in here by WI57. He does a great job of taking pictures of the lifetime of the can and showing what destructive force a short barrel has:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/38...orn_cans_.html
Of course the mount does matter too... Some fit over a muzzle device, others slide a few inches over the barrel, others screw right on the barrel. Some have a quick detach function and others do not. I understand to some degree but over time I will have to develop a preference for one or the other.
Anyway you guys get the picture here... so please share some knowledge and/or experience so that I can (eventually) make a wise choice.
I'll break it down further to help us help you:
What do you want to suppress?
If it's a rifle, what caliber, and do you want the ability to move it quickly from one host to another, or will it primarily stay on one rifle? Is size and weight a concern, or do you want to maximize suppression?
If it's a pistol, what caliber and what host(s)?
Whenever I recommend a suppressor to anyone, I generally leave .22lr cans as a separate category. I feel like no matter what can someone gets, they should ALSO get a .22 suppressor.
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10 December 2014, 10:45 #12
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10 December 2014, 10:46 #13
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10 December 2014, 11:07 #14
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10 December 2014, 11:15 #15
If I posted a pic of a 22LR suppressor it shows how much I know about suppressors. Which is zip Nada. Nothing.
Initially if I suppress anything it will be an AR 15. 5.56