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Thread: 277Wlv Vs 300Blk Subsonic
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23 May 2015, 18:54 #46
How is comparing a 6.5 Grendel to a 6.8 SPC apples to oranges? I've shot several 6.5 Grendels both super AND subsonic (it cycled just fine), so your assertion that it's not in the same realm as the 6.8, .277, and .300 is false and simply wanting to avoid what you know will not end well when argued out. And for all the effort exerted into the 7mm Valkyrie, you might as well go to a large frame 6mm or 6.5mm Creedmoor that would mop the floor with it. The thing that doesn't change about all of these wildcat cartridges is the exhausting lengths guys go to in order to create something out of a cartridge that already does a phenomenal job. They want to handicap it by cutting it down to so they can throw it into a standard AR15 magazine, and then try to convince the world it does the same job as the original cartridge it's based off of, or worse yet they claim it does everything great. And the .30 RAR? Really? Lol... I guess your measure of performance and my measure of performance are on different plains.
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23 May 2015, 19:15 #47
I don't know why I bothered to even comment. This is what happens every time there's wildcat comparisons, and it will end up the same argument with the same kind of guys showing up wanting to tell guys like me how theirs is the best, and I just don't know because I haven't bought into it. Half of them don't even know what ES or SD is, and they all want to talk to me about accuracy at long range, yet their experience is rarely based off of a distance farther than 200-300 yards from a bench. And no GaSwamper I'm not talking about you in particular, but once guys start showing up and trying to insert their own wildcats it's simply a matter of time.
I'll go back to lurking. Dstrbdmedic sorry about the intrusion man.
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23 May 2015, 19:32 #48
I guess it is, I thought you were only comparing to the WLV and BLK and yes the 300 BLK and 6.5 Grendel is no where near the same. 6.8 and 6.5 is splitting hairs really but I do give the long range to the Grendel. You miss my point in the beginning of this, which was pretty much to each his own, I can show you the downside to every caliber out there in some way and fan boys can argue each downfall till they're out of breath. I can kill with the 556, I can hit it harder with the WLV, even harder with the 6.8 and recoil and complexity start to rise, you see where this is going. No one is trying to convince you of anything, I like guns, I also like unique cats because well there different and they help me learn more and more when reloading. And yes we could have up weight and size to simply shoot the Creedmoor or we could cat it to the 7mm in the AR and create something unique and new. My favorite cartridge of all time is the 30.06 and in my eyes the perfect .30 but I guess you could say it's a handicapped version of the .300 mag. There are many calibers I like and some I just don't, the reasons vary but it all boils down to opinion and I'm a hunter so many of my reasons will pertain to hunting performance.
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23 May 2015, 19:45 #49New Member
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If you would like to have a friendly conversation where I might be able to provide you actual math over opinion, let me know.
The 277 Wolverine outperforms the 300BLK in supersonic. Now, that statement requires some data to back it it. I can provide that for you but I'm not so good at doing it on forums.
For what it's worth I don't believe in cartridge wars. To me it's just math and let the math speak for itself.Last edited by MDWS; 23 May 2015 at 19:52.
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23 May 2015, 20:03 #50
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24 May 2015, 12:47 #51
Here is a target that I shot the top right corner was my point of aim
Load wc680 10grn under some .17 a piece 150 rn
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26 July 2015, 18:21 #52
Did a little video using my Osprey45 as the host. 150gr Subs sound pretty good... should have used a different lens though...