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Thread: Cz scorpion or build a 9mm AR
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9 December 2019, 07:04 #16
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9 December 2019, 13:34 #17
I know nothing of the Stribog that was mentioned earlier but, do know about and own both the MPX and CZ. Both have respective pros and cons. I managed to get my hands on a B&T GHM9 and IMHO just wow. The gen 1's with the feed ramp updates run between the CZ and MPX (about 1400.00). Can be updated to take Glock mags and has easily become my favorite hands down.
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9 December 2019, 19:18 #18
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10 December 2019, 06:29 #19
I own an AR9.
I've shot a Scorpion quite a bit (friend's SBR).
I've shot a couple Stribogs (braced).
Both I've shot suppressed and both seemed fine. However, I admit, I don't shoot suppressed a lot so I have very little to compare to.
I'd pick either the Scorpion or the Stribog over an AR9.
My AR9 is fun, don't get me wrong but there are a few things it lacks or make it awkward that keep it from being anything other than a range toy.
MY OPINION
AR9 Advantages:
- You can piecemeal it together over time.
- Many common parts to AR15 parts, easy to source and replace.
- Again, common parts means you may already have parts laying around to start the build.
- Some familiar controls if you're already used to an AR15.
- No new mags to acquire if you already own a Glock, ect.
AR9 Disadvantages:
- The parts that are NOT common to the AR15 might be hard to find if the AR9 dies out in popularity.
- Lack of LRBHO
- The combination of LRBHO and a typical AR style charging handle. YUCK!
In my opinion, no LRBHO isn't such a big deal if it were left side charging. - The angle of Glock or other pistol mags make it a little harder to insert mags.
- Cannot fold brace/stock without adding quite a bit of cost.
Having said all that. If you can build an AR9 significantly cheaper or if it's just a range toy, an AR9 really is a bunch of fun. It just has it's limitations/quirks.Ground Defense 1, Blade Defense 1, Defensive Pistol 1 & 2, Aliance Shoot House, When Things Go Bad, YSINTG, Carbine 1, DART Medical, NRA Range Safety Officer
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10 December 2019, 10:11 #20
The CMMG Banshee MKG/MKGs series (or whatever they're naming them now) have built-in LRBHO on their glock magazine-specific lowers. You can also spring for the costly CMMG adaptor kits for magpul magazines and use those with a standard AR lower (and a CMMG radial delayed blowback upper) and get LRBHO too. Fun to shoot as plinkers. Might run one in PCC for USPSA next year.
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10 December 2019, 10:14 #21
I'll say I shot one of theirs that used the Magpul mags with the insert. That gun was fun and has advantages over typical AR9s. But the cost is much higher and at that point, I think I'd rather spend the money on a gun designed to be a 9mm.
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10 December 2019, 14:43 #22
Good info
I don’t know what I’m gonna do..this is just a huge want, as nothing new all year and I think I can make something work..
But I probably shouldn’t as I’m struggling to figure out what I’m gonna do for Xmas for everyone else..
Ehh..to be responsible sometimes sux..lol..
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10 December 2019, 15:22 #23Ground Defense 1, Blade Defense 1, Defensive Pistol 1 & 2, Aliance Shoot House, When Things Go Bad, YSINTG, Carbine 1, DART Medical, NRA Range Safety Officer
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25 June 2020, 03:31 #24
So narrowed it down...kinda
Stribog or Scorpion...
Who’s got the deals on a scorpion?
Can find the stribog pst for 680 + shipping/tax
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25 June 2020, 04:35 #25
You can break either into several payments with Capitol Armory and a few other places. Makes it more manageable if you really want it. No gun til its paid off though, so that doesn't help the small stack burning a hole in the pocket.
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26 June 2020, 00:34 #26
Ya that’s the problem right kw, so much is out of stock
I’m really intrigued by the new A3 stribog s with the delayed roller back design.