Geissele optic mount

[SINNER]

The Recoil article is a voodoo man special. Guy writes the article without having even touched it.

Haley said its cool so voodoo preordered a few.

[voodoo_man]

Haley said its cool so voodoo preordered a few.

The Recoil article is a voodoo man special. Guy writes the article without having even touched it.

Funny thing is ya'll know i'm right

I don't know anyone at recoil, but if I did I'd tell them to stop doing that stupid shit.

[JGifford]

They may be different but they both will be competing for some of the 30mm mount market. If they are priced similar I would for go the aluminum lithium alloy for the Bobro QD. For me I guess it will hinge on the price of these new Geissele mounts.

Noone who would buy the Geissele would even consider the LaRue. Vis Versa, as well. They are just so different. It's like saying the F-250 Superduty competes with the Taurus because they both have 4 seats in them.

The Geissele is a precision mount that can take high amounts of recoil and will not break or vibrate loose. It is capable of being removed with tools, and replaced with tools, and retaining zero VERY VERY well. It's a precision rifle or "minimalist" type mount (which is why I am leery of it, in the latter application, as the Nightforce Unimount is only 5.4oz or so, and this is going to have its work cut out for it equaling that).

The LaRue is meant for lighter recoiling weapons, and returns to zero pretty darn well, no tools are involved. It's a 3-gun mount.

I struggled with what mount I wanted for a long time before I went NF Unimount Milspec. I finally went that route because I'm putting a Nightforce optic in there. It is my OPINION that a QD mount is more likely to have issues than is a quality battle proven optic. It is also my opinion that if you don't have time to remove the mount using a knife in the slots, or a wrench, you probably also don't have time to QD it and flip up your irons. Hence I went with a mount as bombproof as my optic. One that I don't hear about falling off or shifting when you bump it unless you tighten it down so hard that it's not QD, anymore.

This Geissele is the same animal, although according to the article it RTZ's without a torque wrench. I think this is VERY possible, and possibly not even novel, because when I tested the RTZ of the Scalarworks T2 mount, I varied torque to extremely loose (almost rattled) to very tight (as tight as my hand works). The RTZ was very good regardless. Here are the 50 yard results using M193 (keep in mind for the group on the right, I was coming off the gun after each shot to let the mount loose, which definitely plays a role in precision).



So yes, I think the Geissele may offer something "new" besides the material due to their "RTZ without a tq wrench" claim...but then again, maybe not. From the looks of it, it's just a super sexy Unimount with a better material, although the 7075 of the Unimount ain't bad, the AlLi used by Geissele is more rigid, stronger, and a few % lighter.

[JGifford]

One gorgeous hunk of metal. But are those knobs some type of QD?

1/2" slotted nuts are what I saw in photos.

[JoshAston]

From Bill himself

Gents,

Like many of Geissele's products the Super Precision mounts started with the DOD and a specific request. I didn't develop these in a vacuum, but put together the design specification from what I was told, and the things lacking in other scope mounts that are on the market.

What was needed was a mount that

*was very stiff and did not use the scope as a structural member
*highly accurately machined and true ring bores
*a specific way of clamping to the upper receiver picatinny (using the Vees, not the loosely toleranced top as a datum)
*integral shear lugs that had a close fit to the slots in the upper receiver
*QD, toolless was not needed
*no levers which don't hold up (don't shoot me, not my words but theirs)
*proper fit to the scopes that the mount is used for (no rings jammed up against the turrets or objective)
*the best possible return to zero that can be achieved

Here is how the design was approached:

Stiffness: using 5 axis machining, lightening pockets are generously used so that the structure of the mount is much stiffer than a mount with thin sections. A full length rib is used between the rings and also one coming off the back ring. No spindley flexible flyer extensions. The cross bolts are spread out, not close together

Accurate rings: The entire mount in the op's picture is machined from a 4.6lb block of billet 7075-T651 aluminum, the rings are "line bored" one to the other (no separate caps), exactly true to the bottom picatinny interface. The caps are then finely cut from the bottom ring with a 0.015" jeweler's saw and each cap seriaized to its corresponding ring base (each mount has its own unique serial number)

Clamping: Use of the U.S. Mil method by clamping to the Vee's, not the less accurate and secure "NATO" way.

Shear lugs: Both clamp screws are machined with flats to act as shear lugs and with a low height to the slot, there are also two integral machined in shear lugs that are a close fit to the receiver.....almost no movement backwards and forwards. This is the right way to set up for a semi-automatic weapon with recoil and counter recoil forces.

QD: My customer leaves the mount on the weapon and does not have a need to flip back and forth between guns and deal with the corresponding rezero. Also, they now jump with the optic on the gun instead of removed so there is no need to install after insertion. The cross bolts clamp the mount to the upper with over 1,400 pounds of force for each bolt. No lever system can compare to this kind of secure attachment.

Levers: their call. (That being said a "tool less" version of the Super Precision clamping system is being developed)

Proper fit: The mount in the op's picture was designed specifically to fit the Vortex 1-6x24. The rings are right in the center of the gap between turret and eyepiece when the scope is at the correct eye relief. Because we machine out of a solid block we have the ability to put the rings and cross bolts where ever we want....there are no constraints. That does not mean it won't fit other scopes.....its just made perfectly for the Vortex

RTZ: cross bolts that are spread out, full angle contact on the clamp wedges (not partial on the top angle), U.S. Mil picatinny interface, good shear lugs, stiff mount so that the scope is no longer loaded structurally, or the scope is what keeps the mount together, high clamp loads and ultra tight tolerances give The Super Precision excellent return to zero with NO torquing values needed for the clamp nuts. Just tighten by hand with a Letherman screwdriver or 1/2 wrench and go. RTZ has been reported with just hand tightened nuts, even loose nuts and the scope and mount held on by the spotter.

Here is a picture of the 4.6lb aluminum billet we use and a picture of the resulting 5.1oz mount. This is a 34MM mount in the picture. Note how the mount is made in one shot, all features precisely machined to each other.



At launch in Jan we plan to have 3 different types of 30mm mounts, 4 types of 34mm, black anodize and the DDC shown in the picture, 0 MOA, 20 MOA versions and mounts for the Aimpoint T1/T2, Trijicon MRO and others.

There are also two aluminum alloys available. 7055 Aluminum which is a stronger 7075 and also Alcoa's 2099 advanced Lithium/Aluminum alloy which is as strong as 7075 but lighter, stiffer and more corrosion resistant. 2099 is used in highly loaded airframes by Boeing and Airbus and is considered the cutting edge of aluminum alloy development.

Mount cost is around $350

WHG

and Mrs. ALG is bugging me for a mount of her own, target price of $75 with the ALG Square Deal

[UWone77]

LaRue enters the trigger market... uh ok... Geissele hits them in the Optics Mount market... oh and our shit is squared away from the start with different price points.

[Slippers]

So did Geissele win the contract? Badger is selling their 30mm recon unimount and saying it's for the vortex 1-6 as a contract to someone special, and it has the same design details like extra stiffness and strength, cross bolt spacing, no QD, etc.

[JGifford]

Wow. Very nice. Done right. I won't replace my nf unimount for this, but I will buy these going forward.

[UWone77]

Wow. Very nice. Done right. I won't replace my nf unimount for this, but I will buy these going forward.

Exactly my thoughts. I'll still use my personal Bobro and ADM, but will use these going forward on all my optics.

[DutyUse]

When are these going up for sale? I'd love to snag one of the lithium based ones in case they only run a few batches ala BCM kmr

[din]

When are these going up for sale? I'd love to snag one of the lithium based ones in case they only run a few batches ala BCM kmr

BCM said they intend to keep selling the magnesium alloy KMRs as the material becomes available again. I wonder what the price premium on the 2099 mounts over the regular 7055 is going to be. I'd like to snag a couple.

[Deadwing]

Man, that's nice. Time to start saving my nickels and dimes so i can buy some glass worthy of that mount.

[Slippers]

Man, that's nice. Time to start saving my nickels and dimes so i can buy some glass worthy of that mount.

I wouldn't have said anything, but yeah. Can't wait to see all the sub-$1000 glass in a $350 mount over on arfcom.

[voodoo_man]

I wouldn't have said anything, but yeah. Can't wait to see all the sub-$1000 glass in a $350 mount over on arfcom.

If this mount comes in at $350 I'd be surprised. I'd estimate an entry level price of $400....

[Slippers]

Either way, it's one of those things where you could take the cost of the mount and get a much better piece of glass. 99% of users won't notice a difference between an aero precision mount and this, but they will be able to see a difference between a $600 scope and $1000 scope.

Edit: I just think it's funny. People, of course, can spend their money any way they see fit. :)