So I Need a Lower

[rob_s]

OK, ok. You if you force me to. I am but a mere servant. :)

READ THIS FIRST: First of all, it depends upon what you want to do with the rifle, and we're talking about AR's here. For the sake of argument we're going to pretend like you want a 16 inch AR for Defensive, Target Shooting, and Hunting purposes. Second, we're going to assume you have not met "The Beast" or "The Elephant" yet. These are the ground rules because they apply to the greatest majority of shooters. We will also assume that you are not wealthy and are of average means.

1. Free Float Tubes do not do you any good, but they do make your rifle heavier, often unbalanced, and force you to wear gloves because they get really hot in just the plain old sunshine. They call them "Cheese Graders" for a reason and even the new ones have that issue depending upon how you grip or pickup your rifle. You are not a good enough shot and do not have enough premium ammo on tap to justify them. You shoot Tula and Wolf and Surplus Military rounds MOST of the time. (Nothing wrong with those rounds. Nobody and nothing is going to stand in front of them, ever!) Also, the improvement in accuracy is mostly a myth. It might make some difference in some scenarios for some kinds of shooting with some kinds of ammo, but by and large you're not gaining a thing by having one except potential problems that you will then have to remedy down the road. A lot of your sniper shots are in reality propaganda. The practice of having one guy take a shot with a heavy caliber rifle while a guy real close to the target takes a shot simultaneously is well known to anyone who's ever been in military combat arms. Most of us ain't Snipers and never will be. Save your money and burns on your hands.

2. Use a full auto weight carrier and an H2 buffer in your Carbine. It's the easiest way to time your rifle. Using lightened carriers just makes you have to make up the timing with heavier buffers and an H2 is enough mass as-is. Some guys go light carriers and light buffers. The rifle is badly mis-timed this way. It's way too fast and you will have stove-pipes and failures to extract.

3. Stop using special coatings on your carriers and start using more lube. People are running AR's too dry and trying to make up for it by special coatings. It's inefficient, overly expensive, doesn't work as well, and is very shiny, which is something you do not want on a weapon you might have to use in a defensive capacity.

4. Stop using heavy barrels unless you are just a paper puncher. Heavy is bad for a defensive weapon. VERY VERY BAD. You're not going to have the high dollar ammo on an average budget, and if you had to use that weapon in anger the FEAR you're going to feel is going to shut down your higher level thinking and your accuracy is going to go to sh*t anyway. No matter how much you train, there is no substitute for not being tired. Being lucky is also very important. :)

5. Do not put one thing on your rifle other than MAYBE a light and if you do mount it ON THE BOTTOM of the barrel. That is the optimal location for casting the shadow in the most beneficial direction when you're sweeping an area. (Additionally, never sweep and clear a building anyway. Burn it down or blow it up. If it's a home defense situation that I can see, but that's about it)

6. A 4 coil extractor spring, black stand-off, o-ring or delta-ring under the extractor, and reliable non-crush anti-tilt magazines are the only innovations on the AR platform that are truly worth their salt during the last 10 years of hyper-marketing AR parts. Make sure that is apart of all your AR's.

In Conclusion: You're making your rifles way too complicated and heavy and paying for things you do not need. I know it's a hobby to most and that's fine and dandy, but you wanted to know what I thought so I obliged. Thank you for reading. I shall now brace for impact. :)

I just came for the drama, but other than a couple of incorrect items in #1, I pretty much agree with all of this.

My only real objection to #1 is regarding the weight, but I'm sure one could make arguments back and forth to make the non-FF seem lighter. One slight objection to #1 is that he assumes what I see a lot of people assume, is that ARs are free-floated for the same reasons as bolt guns (accuracy) and that's not exactly true. I free-float ARs because (a) they *can be* lighter free-floated and (b) the input from sling tension is less likely to pull the barrel, and therefore the rounds off target.

ETA:
Oh, and I like my lights at 12 o'clock not 6, but I suspect that Dux isn't aware that lights can be mounted there now, as much of his thinking seems based in out-dated tech.

[SINNER]

Are you speaking of #1 only or the entire comment?

[UWone77]

I even pointed out some of his post had merit. I completely disagree with him on #1, but yeah for 99% of us, non-coated carriers, and non-heavy barrels are the way to go. I personally use H buffers as H2's are unnecessary for most 14.5's and 16" guns.

[fledge]

From the moment he showed up, he quickly revealed his larger objective on WEVO was not to talk about firearms. Thanks mods.

[Josh S.]

Tip of the day: Don't join a forum called Weapon Evolution, if you disagree with the evolution of weapons.

[Pyzik]

Tip of the day: Don't join a forum called Weapon Evolution, if you disagree with the evolution of weapons.

Haha, perfect

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[Cotton68spc]

Never have caught a break why start now?

Lmao


PS if he made anyone want to get rid of their Gucci rifles , I'll send you my address

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[Joelski]

I even pointed out some of his post had merit. I completely disagree with him on #1, but yeah for 99% of us, non-coated carriers, and non-heavy barrels are the way to go. I personally use H buffers as H2's are unnecessary for most 14.5's and 16" guns.

Nice enough guy, just seemed set on flaming out. You hit the nail; I pretty much think he and his buddies were around for the beginning... like the 1950's beginning of the AR era. I make no bones about hole in my experience, but it's no reason to fault people for their likes or dislikes. I try not to get butthurt about stuff like my view on the scope mount subject and fun at my expense thereof. I've asked plenty of noob questions about the long range stuff and probably will never get there. When I can't see somebody, I take an absence of smilies as being an ass, rather than good, clean fun. Electronic media is all about the context.

[MoxyDave]

Doesn't seem fair to have banned him for this. Unless there is something I missed, a dissenting opinion, somewhat well-thought out, is not grounds for termination.

I agree he was starting to spam a bit about other things, but I suspect that would have died off as he lost interest ... whatever!

[UWone77]

Doesn't seem fair to have banned him for this. Unless there is something I missed, a dissenting opinion, somewhat well-thought out, is not grounds for termination.

I agree he was starting to spam a bit about other things, but I suspect that would have died off as he lost interest ... whatever!

I can assure you it wasn't just that.

You can have a dissenting opinion here, no doubt.

[alamo5000]

I have to tell most of you that you're doing it wrong, in more ways than just the FF rails. Are you sure you want me to?

Damn. I've been missing the action around here.

I try to avoid drama, but DAYUM! that was a dickish thing to say right there. Especially here of all places. Seriously? WTF?

[din]

Ok, that certainly gave me a headache.

Now, did we ever find a lower for Pyzik?

[Pyzik]

Ok, that certainly gave me a headache.

Now, did we ever find a lower for Pyzik?

I am pretty set on a CMT SSA at this point.

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[Tyrannosaur]

You don't need a flaired mag well, you don't want me to tell you why... sorry just kidding couldn't resist.

[Ordnance]

Tip of the day: Don't join a forum called Weapon Evolution, if you disagree with the evolution of weapons.