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Thread: 277Wlv Vs 300Blk Subsonic
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23 May 2015, 12:11 #31
If I was closer, I'd need to take Excedrin more frequently.
LOL... kind of...
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23 May 2015, 12:12 #32
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23 May 2015, 12:13 #33WEVO Spell Checker
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23 May 2015, 12:44 #34
I understand, and I'm by no means trying to lessen your enthusiasm, but I simply want to add information that will hopefully be helpful. I have to point out, that if energy wasn't a concern, and simply attenuation, then again 22LR will always win and is more than capable of target shooting out to 200yds, so the assertion that it's not about energy isn't really correct man. I agree 110% though that every cartridge is purpose driven, but the error I find most often is when others try to come up with one round to rule them all. The .300 BO provides better terminal ballistics within a shorter platform while still maintaining the ability to cycle well. The secondary benefit is suppression. The availability of .308 cal bullets is also far greater than .277. Trying to compare the BC advantage downrange is flawed since although one may have a better flight performance, the other still offers better terminal ballistics. And, if terminal ballistics isn't a factor then there's still the fact that 6.5 and .243 offers better BC then .277 at extended ranges, and therefor will outperform the .277.
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23 May 2015, 12:53 #35
Yea a 22lr will ways win that's for sure. I'll agree to disagree to some point. I can find .277 bullets just as easy and plentiful as 308 one and cheaper for that fact. We could go for days on which one is better it's all what you/me/anyone thinks is best for them. There is better bullets in other calibers for sure but they require more than just a barrel swap. That's a main reason I sold my 6.8 stuff and just kept the WLV.
I have a 308, 223, 277, 300 and have had a 6.8. For me and my purposes the WLV is the "one for all" or at least checks the most boxes in wants/needs.
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23 May 2015, 13:06 #36
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23 May 2015, 14:17 #37
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23 May 2015, 14:30 #38
Is it better than 300, I don't know I don't own one so hard to say I guess. I really like it as a companion gun for my 6.8 since I do reload for it and share projectiles. I do think many of the 6.8 bullets expand better at hunting ranges than the 308 bullets because well 308 was designed for more velocity. And it acts just as the 300 does in short barrels, it holds performance very well in the shorty. There will never be one to rule them all because every sit. calls for something diff or personal preference. Subsonic was not a concern for me because I don't want to limit my range when hunting but I do enjoy shooting my sonics suppressed now. I do love my Wolverine and stand behind that it will meet most challenges you can throw at it.
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23 May 2015, 15:58 #39
Expansion has to due with how the bullet is made. Any two bullets made the same way will expand the same at the same velocities no matter the diameter, but the heavier will still transfer more energy. There are also projectiles that at higher velocities don't expand as well at others with lower velocities, which is why Berger does VLDs for hunting and target with the same BC, so as to give the shooter one for target and one that will expand better for hunting, while maintaining a very similar dope. And it's easy to compare it to the 6.8, but if I bring a 6.5 to the party then what?
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23 May 2015, 16:09 #40
It also needs to be the same powder, primer, and crimp. I don't know all the atmospheric details, but certain powders and primers are more temp sensative than others. If there's a high SD and ES in one but not the other, combined with a temperature variance, you'll end up with skewed results. These tests are super difficult, and I give credit to Dstrbdmedic for working with what he has available. Dstrbdmedic you might see if someone locally has a magnetospeed so you can get the ES and SD numbers during the test itself.
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23 May 2015, 16:17 #41
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23 May 2015, 16:29 #42
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23 May 2015, 16:30 #43
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23 May 2015, 16:44 #44
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23 May 2015, 18:24 #45
Yes and most of the 85gr to 120gr 277 are designed for the 6.8. All of the .30 bullets were designed to be used in your high power cartridges like 30-30 308 and so on. Bringing in the 6.5 is really apples to oranges, it's way out of either of these two realms in terms of what you are trying to accomplish. Now if you want to bring the 6.5 to the party I would probly break out the 7VAR and ( Grendel Fans get you're earmuffs ) walk the dog on the 6.5. I actually have a design on file I worked up that would be able to expand the 110gr to 160gr .30 bullets and possibly even exceed the 30 RAR in performance. Will I ever cat it? Maybe, but the 7VAR will do everything it will basically for my needs.