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Thread: ATF-41P
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5 January 2016, 13:44 #61
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5 January 2016, 14:01 #62
I have a copy of ATF 41P Final Rule and tried to place it in the downloads section, but it is too large to upload - 248 pages. Not sure if my copy of 41P Final Rule has the same content as 41F - the signed document.
But your link has explanations on sections that are very informative.
Ordered a Rainier Arms Billet Ambi lower this morning. I will be submitting a Form 1 on it as soon as I have a serial number. With what I have in process currently, this will probably be my last NFA item (for awhile )NRA Benefactor Member
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5 January 2016, 14:04 #63
Copied from the link UW provided:
Under this broad definition this would mean a “Responsible Person” is anyone authorized by the trust to currently possess your NFA weapons. This would mean any Trustors or Trustees. It does not, however, necessarily include beneficiaries on your trust.NRA Benefactor Member
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5 January 2016, 15:45 #64
Something to keep in mind about the 41P especially, but the whole issue today was that it's an "Executive Action," and not an "Order." So any and everything can be very quickly countered by either Congressional action or the courts. Probably the biggest annoyance on all of this is that they included 41P into all the other nonsense, but again, it's just a "keep working on what you've already been working on and you're still bound by procedural rules."
All that said, I've been eyeing getting a full-sized 7.62 can for a while and ended up grabbing one off of Silencer Shop today, just because I figured everyone else would freak out. When I called, the guy I talked to (Jarrott) said it was pandemonium. Good thing we don't panic, as a species, right?
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5 January 2016, 16:01 #65
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5 January 2016, 17:35 #66
Everything about this makes my head hurt. But the fact that there are people who are stupid enough to believe that any of this shit will actually prevent, or even reduce, crimes committed with or involving firearms just blows my fucking mind. God help us all.
Last edited by Deadwing; 5 January 2016 at 19:08.
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5 January 2016, 19:05 #67
Stopped by a local shop and the guy said it was NUTS. They weren't even answering the phone as they had people stacked 4 deep for each employee at the counter. I can only imagine what it's like at Silencer Shop and other NFA dealers.
That said... my 2 Aero 'Pew' and the 'Battle Kitty' lower I won are all getting the Form 1 treatment... screw it. May even get a dedicated 9mm can. Will it get overturned in courts or by the next Prez? Hopefully so, but I operate on the 'Worst Case Scenario' theory... not 'panic mode' mind you, but WCS purchases planned over time. I have 180 days to scheme and drool.-----------------------------------------------
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5 January 2016, 19:08 #68
I wonder what the flood of new people buying stuff will do to wait times? Will they take longer or will they hurry up?
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5 January 2016, 19:15 #69
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5 January 2016, 19:16 #70
my guess is initially slow everything down. But I thought I saw something about 200 new ATF employees? What are the chances they will be NFA branch ones? That would be awesome
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Jim
"You can never have too many guns" - my wife's actual comment
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5 January 2016, 19:29 #71
Especially if we win the election. Think about it...180 days until implementation assuming no challenges, legal or congressional or otherwise....so if it goes on without any challenge whatsoever it will be in place no more than six months before a new President is seated.
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5 January 2016, 20:48 #72
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5 January 2016, 21:08 #73-----------------------------------------------
Jim
"You can never have too many guns" - my wife's actual comment
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5 January 2016, 21:44 #74
I didn't think I was getting a .45 can this year. Looks like I will be.
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5 January 2016, 22:09 #75