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3 January 2017, 20:43 #1Senior Member
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Just tried M-Lok
I have been a fan of Keymod since it was released and have 2 rifles set up with the keymod rails. For some time I have heard people raving about how awesome the M-Lok system is compared to Keymod. So, I finally got myself an M-lok rail in the form of an SMOS. Tonight, all of my M-Lok attachments arrived. For comparison I have the identical Noveske Keymod rail in the same length.
After installing the parts I have come to the conclusion that I still like Keymod much better than M-Lok. My first gripe is that I can't install any accessories around the area of my gas block. With the super slim rail and the M-Lock nuts, there is absolutely no way to mount anything in the slot over the gas block. Even if I shaved the screws. This probably isn't a problem with larger diameter rails. The second part that I found frustrating was the actual mounting of the parts. I seriously had to dick with my Magpul AFG M-Lok and QD mount for a while to get them mounted. I basically had to install the screws through the accessory to the nut, put the nuts through, pull back the accessory from the rail and screw a the same time (each nut just a little bit at a time) to get everything locked down tightly. Keymod...I just put my stuff on, tighten it down, and I am good to go. And, I can mount my accessories anywhere.
I might be missing something, but right now, I just don't get it. Does M-Lok do a better job with a more solid lock up? Are there other advantages to M-Lok that I have yet to notice? Do people just hate how Keymod looks like a bag of dicks?
I am not going to get rid of this M-lok rail as I have all my accessories locked down tight where I want them and I have already invested in those accessories. I just don't see myself continuing down the M-lok path in the future.
I know this is just another Keymod vs M-Lok thread...but just wanted to share my personal experiences now that I have had the chance to work with both systems.
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3 January 2017, 21:05 #2
I agree 100% with what you said. I don't like M-lok. PITA rocking parts to keep the nuts from spinning. Ones with pre applied lock tite are a nightmare. Nuts damage the internal surfaces of the rails every time they are backed off also. Had an issue with Magpul nuts bottoming out before the Pic adapter tightened fully on a new Aero fore end.
FWIW the Arisaka mounts are the best I've used by far.
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3 January 2017, 21:29 #3
That was pretty much my learning path, too. I've had two M-LOK handguards and am down to one that's waiting to get replaced with a KMR. I'll only buy KeyMod from now on. I have had M-LOK accessories pop off at the range because they weren't properly secured. While you can blame that on the operator, M-LOK is just a lot more fidgety to get installed correctly and all but requires visual inspection to confirm the lugs are properly oriented, which is pretty difficult to do on many setups. Since I frequently tinker with my weapons, KeyMod is the better solution for me personally. And the awesome BCM KeyMod panels cover up the only real negative KeyMod has going for it, which is aesthetics, and I never really minded the look of KeyMod anyway.
I do wish there were some more options for KeyMod Harris bipod mounts on the market, though. I have a DD and will pick up a PWS next to try out.
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3 January 2017, 22:49 #4
M-lok definitely has the problem of interference with the gas block, this is assuming which block you use. I have never used keymod, but that said many manufacturers are now making gas blocks that don't have the interference problems.
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4 January 2017, 03:39 #5
There's a learning curve, and some tricks that help. In the end, it comes down to patience, and a desire to use M-Lok over KeyMod or quad rail.
And luck, perhaps.
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http://soldiersystems.net/2014/06/19/magpul-m-lok-tips/There's no "Team" in F**K YOU!
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4 January 2017, 04:35 #6LEO / MIL
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I prefer mlok personally and feel it's a better mounting platform, and have since sold all of my keymod crap. I've just seen more than a couple of accessories or attachments ripped out or partially ripped out of keymod rails under hard use.
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4 January 2017, 04:57 #7
To me both systems have their pros and cons. Keymod is a little easier to mount, but M-LOK is more solid. M-LOK takes less time to machine and looks a little better, but picatinny looks better than both. It's like whether you prefer Kelly Hu or Christina Hendricks, Asian or Ginger fettish.
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4 January 2017, 07:01 #8
Yeah, that's the point. Of course, while I think mounting KeyMod is much more foolproof, you can still mess it up primarily because most KeyMod accessories are unidirectional. And mistakes mounting KeyMod can be much more subtle and lead to rail damage by the time you realize something is wrong.
Since most people mount very few items to their handguard and leave their accessories on for a long time, either system works well. IMO, if you think you might be swapping accessories frequently or in the field, you're probably going to be happier with KeyMod in the long run. But maybe I'll change my mind if I ever have a KeyMod accessory "ripped out under hard use".
I find it interesting that there are some very well respected manufacturers on either side of the issue (besides Magpul and BCM). Geissle has only M-LOK handguards now, while DD, Sig, and Barrett only have KeyMod offerings. KAC was a little slow to get M-LOK to the market, but now offers both, as does SLR, Centurion, MI and I'm sure many others. So, while I have a preference for KeyMod, I don't think one can really go wrong with either.
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4 January 2017, 07:16 #9
M-LOK is stronger, KeyMod is more convenient.
Originally Posted by Courtney Briggs
Originally Posted by Jack Leuba
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4 January 2017, 07:49 #10
I stand corrected. I hadn't seen the DD M-LOK option. It doesn't look like they are selling the handguards separately yet.
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4 January 2017, 08:02 #11
M-Lok is much easier to use if you put some vibra-tite vc3 on the screws and allow it to dry. Then, when you thread the m-lok nuts on, the vc3 helps cam the nut into the proper position when both tightening and loosening. I always take a flashlight and shine it through the handguard to get a view of the nuts to make sure they are seated correctly.
The BCM reverse threaded keymod screws (which combine the nut and screw), alleviate the directional mounting issues. They're pretty much foolproof and let us make mounts much thinner and easier. I really like them, and am gradually transitioning all of our keymod accessories over.
People like to say that keymod takes more machine time because of the chamfer around the inside of each slot on the interior of the handguard. However, almost all of the good manufacturers do a flat cut around the inside of each m-lok slot. Geissele is a perfect example. There's really not a significant machine time difference, unless the extrusion is designed so no additional machining time is required on the inside (for m-lok).
I will say that m-lok products cost us significantly more to manufacture because the nuts/screws are more than twice as expensive as the BCM reverse threaded keymod screws.Last edited by Slippers; 4 January 2017 at 08:08.
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4 January 2017, 12:49 #12
My M-Lok numbskull moment: When I figured out that I need not tape the nut separately to a screwdriver blade to hold under the rail.
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4 January 2017, 13:41 #13
Just tried M-Lok
I only use m-lok. And can switch them out quickly now. But it's not like installing a handstop is a race against time.
I use few accessories though, and when I do, I usually keep them in place. Then it's a matter of a smooth rail and aesthetics.
I've read in various places that mlok outsells keymod 3:1.
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4 January 2017, 15:02 #14
The one thing I find myself changing with any frequency is from an M-Lok AFG to a 5 slot pic rail so I can use my QD tango down vertical grip. I guess it sounds like I need to build another upper/rifle!
There's no "Team" in F**K YOU!
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4 January 2017, 15:51 #15
That was based on an informal poll of a few accessory manufacturers, but didn't include the biggest proponents of either interface (BCM and Magpul).
It's about 1:1 for us. And I get about an equal amount of tech support emails from people that have difficulty installing, but most of the time it's stripped or lost screws.
Have also had an equal number of people with accessories that don't stay tight, always caused by lack of thread locker and/or incorrect torque.Will - Owner of Arisaka LLC - http://www.arisakadefense.com