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25 January 2020, 08:44 #1
Holosun 509T First Look - Guns and Tactics
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25 January 2020, 19:15 #2
It’s pretty sweet when I shot with it. Supposedly fully submergible up to 1 meter.
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26 January 2020, 11:34 #3LEO / MIL
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Aaron Cowan did a decent review as well.
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26 January 2020, 16:36 #4
Unboxing video, with no real use of it other than a few rounds during a game shoot.
Holosun fell into the trap of not sending it out to people who will provide a legit review. Maybe because it won't hold up? Maybe because they were stingy?
Guess only time will tell.
Even though I dislike it, the proprietary footprint is a good business move.
However, the fact that everything is being pushed back to the MOS platform, especially if you want choices, is fucking annoying as hell.
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26 January 2020, 17:04 #5LEO / MIL
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Seems like a decent review......are you just upset they didn’t send you one?
https://youtu.be/ZSh3Ui44osU
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26 January 2020, 17:51 #6
Dude Stop, Dave Timm is a legit shooter. Holosun gave him a T&E model for a limited time as they were in demand and only had so many optics at the time to go around. They're planning on letting have one for an extended period. He plans to do an extended review when that happens. Nothing wrong with an initial impression, overview video.
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26 January 2020, 18:22 #7
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26 January 2020, 21:46 #8
Hmmm, I wonder if this might work well on an MP5K. I'd like a red dot, but want something that runs close to the rail and I like how this had the circle dot option.
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28 January 2020, 06:18 #9
Stop...telling the truth?
Being a good shooter =\= understanding how a firearm is employed in the real world / EDC carry situations.
Three weeks of carrying the ACRO I've already found TWO serious flaws which aimpoint either disregarded or was never told about because they didn't have people worth while t&e'ing the units. That's not my fault, that's their fault, and the same thing goes for everyone else.
Unboxing videos have been a long time weakness in the youtube-type reviewer channels. They need to extend their videos as long as possible because they get paid on the NUMBER of minutes/hours watched NOT the content. So a 9 minute video where there's 5 minutes of complete fluff is only good for the person making the money and a complete waste for the rest of us. What does anyone of us care what kind of box and what kind of accessories come with a piece that it'll literally sit on top of a gun?
Then again, kids love to watch toy unboxing videos, so maybe that plays a role here.
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28 January 2020, 11:44 #10
I think the point of contention is that just because you don't know if units were sent out by Holosun doesn't mean no units were sent out. Maybe they weren't, and that's unfortunate. But given the feedback I've heard on the 507s, Holosun has been leaving a lot of professionals (not Youtubers) with positive feelings.
Originally Posted by voodoomanLast edited by gatordev; 28 January 2020 at 11:53.
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28 January 2020, 13:11 #11
I highly doubt anyone got prototype units to t&e with the purpose of changing the designs before production was started of standard models. Most companies don't do this to their detriment.
If you can show me the professionals you are referring to who were not given free units to keep on the basis they provide positive reviews I'll gladly listen to them. We all know that's essentially not the case for the vast majority of "reviewers" or personalities.
Two biggest issues for the ACRO, dot is way too big (needs to be 1 or 2 moa at most) and the control buttons are not able to locked in place, so that means the unit can be turned off, brightness increased or decreased accidentally just by carrying it. Both things that would have been near-immediately observable if they provided units to people who can give such insight and don't just want free shit to propagate their popularity.
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28 January 2020, 15:55 #12
Hi there,
I don't think we've met in person, if so I apologize. The video wasn't meant to be a review, and in fact never said it was, it was literally a First Look video. While I don't like the term unboxing, it is really my version of that except I like to provide a little more information than what you find online like testing with holsters, showing detail shots etc. as well as a range trip. Yes this was a short turn around video as my time with it was limited. I am hoping to get one for a while where I can do a more proper review and I'm lucky to live in an area where I can provide some pretty harsh testing.
I agree that just because someone is a shooter it does not equal understanding how a firearm is deployed in the real world. I do feel pretty confident in my knowledge and background of knowing how a gun is used in reality though. I've been a street cop since 2002 and have been carrying a dot on a handgun for a few years, again in an environment (Minnesota) that is pretty hard on gear. I can tell you stories about this and that but I don't have a beard so I realize my creditability is likely already shot.
I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on the Acro as I don't have one yet. I try to look at things with a realistic approach and user focus. I try to spend a good amount of time at the range whether it be for work, training or for content and I try to compete a little here and there as well as it offers growing opportunities and fun. Last, I am always open to criticism and I know I can always be better. If you truly think I'd adding fluff, I'm not. Yeah at times I do loop back, usually because of on take that overlapped another. I don't add fluff for the sake of time and in fact I'm really trying to make shorter videos. I try to get the info out that I would want to know about the product, see it up close with quality detail shots versus the crappy look at my hands un-boxing videos, and have good audio as well. I don't get paid by the minute watched, in fact most of our videos don't even have the ads turned on so we don't get paid at all.
Best regards,
-Dave
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28 January 2020, 17:01 #13
Could be. Can't answer to that.
If you can show me the professionals you are referring to who were not given free units to keep on the basis they provide positive reviews I'll gladly listen to them. We all know that's essentially not the case for the vast majority of "reviewers" or personalities.
Two biggest issues for the ACRO, dot is way too big (needs to be 1 or 2 moa at most) and the control buttons are not able to locked in place, so that means the unit can be turned off, brightness increased or decreased accidentally just by carrying it. Both things that would have been near-immediately observable if they provided units to people who can give such insight and don't just want free shit to propagate their popularity.
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28 January 2020, 19:08 #14
Shawn Ryan is a God.
There's no "Team" in F**K YOU!
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29 January 2020, 12:08 #15
While you should feel absolutely zero need to post whenever anyone is critical of any of your content (god knows I don't), I'll point some things out here since you decided to.
If you had a negative view of this particular optic, would you have posted a video explaining it? Especially knowing full well you would likely never get another optic from holosun (or anyone else)?
Your video is 10minutes long, it could have been about 2 minutes if you cut out all the fluff, YT pays for minutes viewed and that's how you gain in popularity - that's their only metric.
I'm glad your department allows you post videos and other things without IA being down your throat, my PD isn't that kind. If you're doing it to make money, which you undoubtedly should be, don't hide it or try to explain why you may not be, there's no shame in it. Make your money, but don't expect those of us who know better to freely accept anything anyone is putting out there when it's clearly leaning one way in order to gain traction in the guntertainment side of the industry.
I don't care what "numerous people," think or what they are impressed with. This industry is full of people with confirmation bias and those who blindly go along to get along. Things I've continuously proven incorrect in various real-world applications, dots are just another one in the mix. Just because I am not particularly nice about it doesn't mean what I am saying is incorrect. As I've always said, if there is something people disagree with me on, please come out and meet me on the range, meet me for a ride-along, and I'll show you how it works in the real world. While no one has yet taken my offer for a ride-along, there have quite a few people who have had their opinions changed upon showing and explaining certain concepts face to face.
Those who understand how and why dots are supposed to be used in the real world immediately accept the fact that the smallest possible, clearest, and most crisp dot, is the only way to go. There is no in-between. Most instructors who claim to be dot instructors or whatever, don't understand how the real world works and they teach a gaming application to reality - which is a logical fallacy.