Do any charging handles do a better job then others?

[mustangfreek]

After shooting suppressed a little while now, I can join in and say ARs don’t suppresse very well lol

I have been using a few things, since I like tuning my shit and want it to run the best I can get it..Still changing shit around

But in my 10.5” i was using a bootleg carrier for a while and works well for what it is vs a std carrier.. Besides making the upper so much more dirty.. But, again I can’t leave shit alone, So swapping around buffers and springs currently (any suggestions for baby smooth , perfect function, I’m listening:) ..)

Also just swapped in one of those BRT suppressed sized gas tubes (.059 port) Ran up for a quick test the other day...tons better, runs softer and lot less gas.

I also use a SLR adjustable gas block on my 12.5” 308 (first adj gas block I ever used) and with a pri fat boy gas toob and H3/armalite spring & A5 length toob, it shoots softer then my 556 ars it feels like

Now I moved the bootleg over to the grendel

[Former11B]

After shooting suppressed a little while now, I can join in and say ARs don’t suppresse very well lol

I have been using a few things, since I like tuning my shit and want it to run the best I can get it..Still changing shit around

But in my 10.5” i was using a bootleg carrier for a while and works well for what it is vs a std carrier.. Besides making the upper so much more dirty.. But, again I can’t leave shit alone, So swapping around buffers and springs currently (any suggestions for baby smooth , perfect function, I’m listening:) ..)

Also just swapped in one of those BRT suppressed sized gas tubes (.059 port) Ran up for a quick test the other day...tons better, runs softer and lot less gas.

I also use a SLR adjustable gas block on my 12.5” 308 (first adj gas block I ever used) and with a pri fat boy gas toob and H3/armalite spring & A5 length toob, it shoots softer then my 556 ars it feels like

Now I moved the bootleg over to the grendel

What suppressor?

I’m doing very basic things and don’t have all these gas issues. Over complicating it is easy

[Joelski]

This. I'm good with Stoner's design for the most part. I did put a AGB on my M5, but that was $67 vs. zillion dollar money and time rabbit hole fucking with springs and buffers for a carbine system that wasn't designed for large caliber rifles. John can chime in here, but I imagine I could have put a rifle buffer system on it and it would have run just fine.

[mustangfreek]

Switch to 300 blk.

Why?

What suppressor?

I’m doing very basic things and don’t have all these gas issues. Over complicating it is easy

Lol.What gas issues? Btw 2 of these I’m talking about are RA barrels.

I was just mentioning the things I’ve played with. Std shit nowadays has huge gas ports and add a can and ..overpassed is the norm for about all ARs unfortunately

Phuck that, I went down this road, why not fine tune it to MY setup

You run adj gas blocks and gimmicky charging handles, so not sure what iyour over complicating comment is about.

I don’t know why some more companies just can’t drill a small hole, instead of a Grand Canyon.. 556 with a can will run with a .045-.050 ish port no problem.. why the yugggge fogging holes......

[Joelski]

Why?

It's Apple's stupid marketing ploy; "It just works". Super or sub, suppressed or not. No fucking with it whatsoever. If somebody chimes in with a different opinion, I will submit that their nature is to tweak shit, which is 100% unnecessary with 300 BLK. If that sounds too much like Brittingham's Koolaid, I'm sorry, but that's the results I've had. Whatever gas port, pistol length gas tube, stock Carb buffer. Done.

You reload; get after it. And don't hand me that "oddball ammunition" crap, Mr .270. If you ever want to try it, I'll send you 50 cases to get started with.

I don’t know why some more companies just can’t drill a small hole, instead of a Grand Canyon.. 556 with a can will run with a .045-.050 ish port no problem.. why the yugggge fogging holes......

I'm sure high dollar shops like Hodge can take your money to do that, or a competent gunsmith can weld and re-drill your port if the barrel is valuable enough to modify, rather than replace. The fact is, those who own and use suppressors is a niche market compared to those who don't. As a manufacturer, why change tooling to do that when you can sell the barrels and let the owner do all the putzing to get his gun to work correctly? DD did back off their gaping port size after enough people griped about it, but who has gone appropriately smaller? Sucks, but that's economics 101 in today's world. Hell, even guns sold as dedicated hosts have oversize ports to run shit ammo. I can't understand why somebody would invest in a nice gun, or NFA items, only to run shit ammo? I know you reload your own, so that's definitely not directed at you, but the dumb-dumbs who buy cool shit, then expect it run sardine can shit are what's making it tough for the guys who want good specs. Hell, the military does it so they can strip NATO rounds of a body in a firefight, so don't expect that to change. The mil isn't all SOF; there are plenty of mouth breathers who can fuck up a wet dream, let a lone a high reliability weapon!

I haven't done an extended test on my 180 yet, but so far, with 200 round sessions (which is nothing, I know), I'm surprised with the small amount of blowback crud accumulation in the lower. For a right-handed shooter, I haven't found a better solution to gas face than that system. Granted, I haven't put my suppressor on it yet, and I'm sure that when I do, it will increase the crap buildup, but I'm sure that adding oil will work for it, just like a traditional AR/M16.

[UWone77]

Why?



Lol.What gas issues? Btw 2 of these I’m talking about are RA barrels.

I was just mentioning the things I’ve played with. Std shit nowadays has huge gas ports and add a can and ..overpassed is the norm for about all ARs unfortunately

Phuck that, I went down this road, why not fine tune it to MY setup

You run adj gas blocks and gimmicky charging handles, so not sure what iyour over complicating comment is about.

I don’t know why some more companies just can’t drill a small hole, instead of a Grand Canyon.. 556 with a can will run with a .045-.050 ish port no problem.. why the yugggge fogging holes......

Because most people shoot shit ammo, and the suppressor market is tiny, like really tiny vs everyone else shooting non-suppressed. Making small gas ports or really correct gas ports will get people complaining their guns don't cycle their crap, underpowered ammo.

If you want to see a Grand Canyon gas port, check out some midlength 300 BO Black Hole Armory tried to make back in the day. Those did not cycle because middy 300 is just not a good idea.

[Former11B]

Why?



Lol.What gas issues? Btw 2 of these I’m talking about are RA barrels.

I was just mentioning the things I’ve played with. Std shit nowadays has huge gas ports and add a can and ..overpassed is the norm for about all ARs unfortunately

Phuck that, I went down this road, why not fine tune it to MY setup

You run adj gas blocks and gimmicky charging handles, so not sure what iyour over complicating comment is about.

I don’t know why some more companies just can’t drill a small hole, instead of a Grand Canyon.. 556 with a can will run with a .045-.050 ish port no problem.. why the yugggge fogging holes......

I have two Griffin “SNACH” charging handles

The first one I got because it was new and the guy who sold me the can had one and sent it to me. Literally did nothing gas related on my rifle because no gas was coming out of it.

I bought a second one because I liked the handles, how solid it was, etc not because of the gas relief feature because they don’t have gas coming out of them. All the other charging handles I’ve bought since have been Geissele ACHs.

All I said was “it’s easy to overcomplicate it”. I see tons of people replacing tons of parts and they get so far away from “zero” they don’t know what’s causing their issues.

And if you ran a .045-.050 gas port, all these people running Wolf and Tula would cursing the barrel or rifle online. The underpowered rounds wouldn’t work with it, especially unsuppressed

The AGBs are tuned to where they function on all rifles at the same point: where they function unsuppressed with the same ammo so they’re all running the same rate of gas return unsuppressed. They do bleed off gas when suppressed but that’s the point. I could run the AGBs much more open but then the rifles wouldn’t function unsuppressed and it would be like mimicking the tiny gas port.

[alamo5000]

I have two Griffin “SNACH” charging handles

The first one I got because it was new and the guy who sold me the can had one and sent it to me. Literally did nothing gas related on my rifle because no gas was coming out of it.

I bought a second one because I liked the handles, how solid it was, etc not because of the gas relief feature because they don’t have gas coming out of them. All the other charging handles I’ve bought since have been Geissele ACHs.

Don't get too attached to the SNACH because they quit making them, at least the original version. The V2 is a non ambi version that is less than impressive. I sent mine back and ultimately got a refund. The problem I have is they still promote it using the same photos and literature as the V1 even though it's nothing at all like the V1 (which I have two of those myself).

I am looking for an alternative so I will give the other one you mentioned a look.

As far as the actual function of "gas busting" goes, over time I have come to think that gas busting charging handles in general are ok but they cannot over ride other portions of the gun causing over gassing. They might add that extra 5-10% from a good setup to make it great but they won't fix a bad setup.